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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
Yeah, I think 240—250 works.
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#122
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
I'm surprised, his survivabilty seems really poor for his price and his attacks don't seem that special - what makes him so strong?
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#123
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
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So you're thinking as-is point wise if not a 10 point increase? |
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
I have some tests I can write up in the next hour or so if y’all want em.
My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
#125
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
That'd be nice. Could finalize the point value for sure.
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#126
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
D'oh! Meant 230-240.
EDIT: And yeah, his offense is pretty fearsome. If he was more solid defensively, his cost would go up. He's very much a glass cannon. Probably a good idea to see Soundwarp's results before moving him along. |
#127
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
230 feels more apropriate, just looking at the SP.
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#128
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
He was certainly outmatched in that first battle. The Prof. X, Wolvy & Deadpool combo is top notch and Manta had no water tile givers.
I agree though, he could use a drop. He is actually a lot like Dredd but old Joe has 5 Life and he is not that great at 240. |
#129
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Black Manta @240 points
Army Test 1 Map: Island Plane Crash (No E-Glyph) Units: The Scape of Water: Black Manta (240), Tempest (210), Hydro-Man (190), Martian Manhunter I (300) - 940 total vs Jaws 3DD: King Shark (220), Ms Marvel (350), Wonder Woman II (370)- 940 total
Spoiler Alert!
Army Test 2 Map: Sewer Labyrinth Units: Deep Blue Killing Spree: Black Manta (240), Enchantress II (330), Non (330), Crimson Bands of Yadda-Yadda (50), Enchant (20), Hypnotize (25)- 995 total vs 1,000 Justice Leagues Beneath the Sea: Martian Manhunter II (420), Aquaman II (330), Vixen (150), Silk Spectre (100)- 1000 total
Spoiler Alert!
Overall: Manta feels ok, Concussive Energy Beam is a nasty power that certainly earns him some points, but he's kind of lacking in... Antagonism I guess? Like considering his whole shtick is basically 'I hates me some Aquaman' I was expecting a little more interaction there beyond just being able to move Aquaman off a water space with the beam. Like a bonus to his attack against Atlantians or people on a water space, or something like that instead of just standard Water Strength. He's fine mechanically and definitely draft-able, but theme-wise he just felt a little... dry... when he is essentially just a vehicle for the Concussive Energy Beam power. I could see him coming down a tad in points since his defense game isn't great, but not by much given how useful the beam is. My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
#130
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Public Playtest
Thanks for the tests!
Sounds like we're all on board with 230 then. I propose a vote to move Black Manta to Final Editing at 230. @Ronin @Tornado @Yodaking @japes @johnny139 @Spidey'tilIDie @SirGalahad Also need a wording check and his secret identity figured out. |
#131
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Vote for Final Edit
yea
I'll hit the wording check tonight if Sir G doesn't beat me to it. |
#132
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Re: The Book of Black Manta - Vote for Final Edit
Looks good
yea |
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