Green Wyrmling discussion and playtesting

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by Arch-vile

Wyrmling bonding is pretty essential to me. I think following precedent is vital here.

[Tiranx]

Just curious here, is the majority consensus that the green wyrmling have 4 move, 4 attack, 4 defense, wyrmling counterstrike that activates on a whiffed attack, flying, and wyrmling bonding. Then the personality would valiant.

which of those factors are solidly set and which ones are still being discussed?

[TnT2]

If counter strike is based on sniffed attacks, I think that 5 move should be back on the table.

True, 4 move is the same as the KoW, and the Wyrmlings will have flying, I think they need the mobility.

[Crixus33]

I like the whiff idea because it will happen more often to the lower attacking range figures (big bonus). It also favors heroes with higher attacks.
I like:
5 or 4 move
1 range
4 attack
4 defense

[flameslayer93]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

True enough guys. But more fuel for the kettle, I suppose. ^_~

[Sir Dendrik]

I think the "if attacker whiffs" wording is the one. It shifts the problem to the attacker so we don't have to worry about the inherent power of Counterstrike as much.

4 Move
4 Attack
4 Defense

I'd make everything match. That's how Charos is. Doesn't really matter, though.

[Shedim Kabal]

I think 4 Move is a must with whiff FCS, otherwise Minions won't stand a chance.
Just did the math on Minions vs whiff FCS, assuming Wyrmlings get height for 5 Defense, then, they counter and are killed in similar percents if you correctly calculate Double Strike, Minions kill about twice as often as they're Countered.

Survives against 3 Attack:
4 Defense: 58.96%
5 Defense: 67.85%
6 Defense: 75.15%
7 Defense: 80.89%

With Counter Strike happening so rarely, I wonder if people will feel that Raelin is required to run them?

4/4/4@35 sounds solid, though.

Fledgling Counter Strike
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if the attacking figure rolled no skulls, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Follows the wording of Charos for the most part, covers normal and adjacent clauses.

[Super Bogue]

There have been a lot of good ideas kicked around in here. These are the ones that I think will lead to the best design:

Spoiler Alert!

GENERAL = ULLAR

PLANET = ICARIA
SPECIES = DRAGON
UNIQUENESS = COMMON HERO
CLASS = WYRMLING
PERSONALITY = VALIANT
SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL/3

LIFE = 1

MOVE ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/4
RANGE ADVANCED/BASIC = 1/1
ATTACK ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/4
DEFENSE ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/6
POINTS = 35

Fledgling Counter Strike
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if the attacking figure rolled no skulls, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Flying

Move 4 would make it the slowest wyrmling like Charos is the slowest dragon. Omitting Wyrmling Bonding forces players to use other wyrmlings with them to ensure maximum effectiveness. It also makes it much more difficult to incorporate GWs into 4th Mass builds. The "whiff" version of FCS is good too. It definitely carries that "fledgling" feel to Counter Strike.

[MegaSilver]

It needs Wyrmling bonding like the rest of them.

[Arch-vile]

Originally Posted by Super Bogue

There have been a lot of good ideas kicked around in here. These are the ones that I think will lead to the best design:

Spoiler Alert!

GENERAL = ULLAR

PLANET = ICARIA
SPECIES = DRAGON
UNIQUENESS = COMMON HERO
CLASS = WYRMLING
PERSONALITY = VALIANT
SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL/3

LIFE = 1

MOVE ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/4
RANGE ADVANCED/BASIC = 1/1
ATTACK ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/4
DEFENSE ADVANCED/BASIC = 4/6
POINTS = 35

Fledgling Counter Strike
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if the attacking figure rolled no skulls, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

Flying

Move 4 would make it the slowest wyrmling like Charos is the slowest dragon. Omitting Wyrmling Bonding forces players to use other wyrmlings with them to ensure maximum effectiveness. It also makes it much more difficult to incorporate GWs into 4th Mass builds. The "whiff" version of FCS is good too. It definitely carries that "fledgling" feel to Counter Strike.

I like this draft- just remember than Quahon has 5 move as well, so Charos is not the slowest dragon, technically.

[Super Bogue]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

It needs Wyrmling bonding like the rest of them.

Except that removing it fixes one of the major issues that the previous GW versions have had. They aren't going to work as well as a screen for the 4th if you also have to include some Red, Blue, White, or Black Wyrmlings to get them moving. I understand the urge of consistency, but in this case it makes better sense overall to drop Wyrmling Bonding from the design.

[Bengi]

Originally Posted by Super Bogue

Except that removing it fixes one of the major issues that the previous GW versions have had. They aren't going to work as well as a screen for the 4th if you also have to include some Red, Blue, White, or Black Wyrmlings to get them moving. I understand the urge of consistency, but in this case it makes better sense overall to drop Wyrmling Bonding from the design.

I disagree, if you drop the bonding, then you are greatly reducing the number of armies that they could be viable in. The bonding is what makes the Wyrmlings tick. Honestly, I'm not all that concerned about the 4th mass stuff, most of the time I would rather have 2x 4th mass than 4x GW.