The Book of Animated Vines

[Viegon]

Yea

[Lazy Orang]

Might there be a way to perhaps make them less attractive to pods.

[Yodaking]

Maybe take away the jungle plant def. bonus aspect?

[Arkham]

I've considered that as well. It'd essentially allow Ivy II to offer a static +1 defense when adjacent to them, but they themselves aren't offering the +1 defense against non-adjacent attacks that Jungle does naturally.

[Dysole]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Competitive Concerns
Does the design offer worrisome Order marker movement or efficiency? Maybe... I'm not really sure what category this fits under but being able to move 3 blockers that give +1 defense to range (for most figures) each turn you take with a plant animator is...potentially good.

Does the design offer superior Auto wounding? No.

Does the design cause the prevention of abilities (Blob, Polaris, Meteorite)? No.

Does the design move other figures? No.

Does the design boost other figures (outside of a narrowly defined set)? No.

Does the design have one or more excellent defensive powers? I mean Regrowth isn't strictly a defensive power, but it does the same kind of thing.

Does the design auto destroy or take control of other figures in a way that unbalances the design? No.

Does the design have any other concerns? I guess I could've put the movable jungle trees complaint here. Like dok, that's a thing that I could see getting abused.

Summary of Any Competitive Concerns/Suggestions for Changes: Movable regenerating defense granting blockers is not inherently bad, but watch it. It could be.

~Dysole, swinging through the vines

[Tornado]

Yea
Thanks Dysole.

[dok]

When you look at the checklist, you can see why the Ivy1+Animated Vines combo concerns me, since this gives her reliable access to autowounding and figure movement restriction (i.e. she's no longer terrain dependent). And she already had the figure control power.

Again, I'm not raising a full claxon "this is broken" alarm here. I'm just saying this unit very much fits into the style of play that's been most concerning on the competitive scene.

Am I the only one who, when seeing "Animated Vines", thought "didn't that site just shut down?"

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by dok

Am I the only one who, when seeing "Animated Vines", thought "didn't that site just shut down?"

Yeah, but then Plant Regrowth kicked in.

EDIT: also, yea. Really wouldn't mind making them less working to pods though.

[johnny139]

Yea

Concerns noted, but I'd like to see how it tests out first.

[Tornado]

Inside joke I must be missing.

Any who. dok could you lay your concerns out for me?

I am missing on how to exploit this to the fullest.

[Dysole]

Here.

As for concerns, Ivy is already good since she autowounds, prevents figure movement, and takes control of other figures. Giving her blockers who can give her defense from range and fuel the autowounds/figure movement restriction feels like a recipe for some really annoying stuff.

~Dysole, who thinks dok might be able to phrase it better

[Arkham]

If there's any suggestions to make them less pod friendly, definitely share.

Looks like we're down to @japes , I should be able to get to the initial tonight.