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The Book of Mad Thinker
The Book of Mad Thinker

C3G MARVEL WAVE 14
FANTASTIC ADVENTURES



The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Fantastic Forces set.
Its model number and name are #086 / Mad Thinker.

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Character Bio - The Mad Thinker has spent his life discerning the future by calculating all of the known variables he can possibly think of. Using these calculations, he can predict where lightning will strike, where a person will step, or where a bullet will hit. Not wanting to battle superpowered foes personally, he employs robots and traps to deal with those he has calculated would interfere with his plans.

After turning to a life of crime from boredom, the Thinker set his sights on the Fantastic Four. He brought all the powerful crime bosses to New York City in order to become the 'King of Crime' as their leader. With his massive collection of computing machines and his incredible mind he planned to take over the city and make it a separate nation with him in control. In an elaborate scheme, he was temporarily able to divide the Fantastic Four and gain access to their headquarters, the Baxter Building. With Reed's technology he created the Awesome Android and turned it against the Four. He was defeated when he failed to plan for what Reed Richards called the 'X-Factor,' or the unknown, when Reed had a safeguard and deactivated all of his weapons. Once captured, the media dubbed him 'the Mad Thinker', which he despised. (ComicVine, 2011)
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Q- Can I use Mind Games at the start of my turn even if I use Android Affinity to take a turn with someone besides Mad Thinker?
  • A- Yes, you can. Mind Games activates "before taking a turn", and since you're still taking a turn when using Android Affinity, you may use Mind Games. In addition, Mind Games would be used before choosing whether or not to use Android Affinity, since Android Affinity activates "instead of taking a turn", while Mind Games activates before the turn.
  • Q- If I use Android Affinity to remove an Order Marker to get a second turn, do I get to use Mind Games a second time that turn?
  • A- No. Mind Games requires you to "reveal" an Order Marker, and since Android Affinity "removes" an Order Marker, it can't trigger Mind Games. Mind Games only triggers when the initial Order Marker is revealed on Mad Thinker's card.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:Outgoing Synergy:_________________________________________________________________


-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-Card Updates:
21 July 2021 - Reverted Android Affinity to be closer to the original power since it got over nerfed.
7 March 2021 - Class changed to Genius
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
NAME = MAD THINKER
SECRET IDENTITY = JULIUS

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = GENIUS
PERSONALITY = CALCULATING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 160

MIND GAMES
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn, you may choose an unrevealed Order Marker on an opponent's Army Card. That opponent must place that Order Marker on another Army Card they control, if possible.

ANDROID AFFINITY
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Mad Thinker, you may take a turn with a Unique Android Hero you control. Once per round after taking a turn this way, you may immediately remove an unrevealed Order Marker from this card and take one additional turn with Mad Thinker or an Android Hero you control with the Weak Minded special power.

Design before reevaluation:
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
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NAME = Mad Thinker

SPECIES = Human
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Strategist
PERSONALITY = Calculating

SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 140?

MIND GAMES
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn, you may move any 1 Order Marker on one opponent’s card to one other card that opponent controls. You may not place Order Markers on any cards not in play and you may never reveal an opponent’s Order Markers when using Mind Games.

ANDROID AFFINITY
All Androids you control within clear sight of Mad Thinker add one die to their normal attacks.

ADVANCED PLAN
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Mad Thinker, you may take a turn with an Android Hero you control. After this turn, you may immediately remove any unrevealed Order Marker from this card and take one additional turn with Mad Thinker or any Android Hero you control. You may only use Advanced Plan once per round.
Mind Games needs to specify you're moving an unrevealed Order Marker, right? And Advanced Plan should probably be listed above Android Affinity on the card.
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
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ADVANCED PLAN
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Mad Thinker, you may take a turn with a Unique Android Hero you control. After this turn, you may immediately remove any unrevealed Order Marker from this card and take one additional turn with Mad Thinker or any Unique Android Hero you control. You may only use Advanced Plan once per round.
The bolded line is confusing marv_art because he did not know the intent here. He thought you could only take a turn with an Android instead of Mad Thinker once per round.

I suggested we change it to: You may only use Advanced Plan to take an additional turn once per round.
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
ATTENTION! Mad Thinker has gone through the reevaluation process and has been updated as follows. The updated wording is in the Second Post (SP) and the cards will be updated soon.



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NAME = MAD THINKER

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = STRATEGIST
PERSONALITY = CALCULATING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 160

MIND GAMES
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn, you may choose an unrevealed Order Marker on an opponent's Army Card. That opponent must place that Order Marker on another Army Card they control, if possible.

ANDROID AFFINITY
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Mad Thinker, you may choose a Unique Android Hero you control. If that Hero does not have the Weak-Minded special power, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 8 or higher, or that Hero has the Weak-Minded special power, take a turn with that Hero. After this turn, you may immediately remove any unrevealed Order Marker from this card and take one additional turn with the same Hero. You may only use Android Affinity to take an additional turn once per round.
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
ADVANCED PLANAfter rolling for initiative, you may choose any two unrevealed opponent's Order Markers to look at. After using Advanced Plan, you may move one Order Marker from any card you control to any other card you control.

You probably want to put something in there like "after rolling initiative and before any Order Marker is revealed, you may immediately"
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
Seeing half the opponent's strategy is HUGE! Pair this guy with Joker and you could own a round. Maybe just 1 OM?

Also, the wording will have to change. "After using Advanced Plan" means you have used the entire power, but moving your own OM is part of the Advanced Plan.

Are we planning on having more Android Heroes?
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
Awesome Android and Dragon Man will definitely be Android Heroes. He always uses Androids as his minions because they are above humans and make fewer mistakes.

As for the wording I'll update it when the breathing period is over.

What do others think on just seeing one OM Vs. Seeing two?
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We'll definitely have more Android Heroes.
Android Affinity needs to be tied to an Order Marker for the initial part, though.
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Re: The Book of Mad Thinker - Design
Good stuff. I have an idea for a Unique Android squad I've been toying with. Not sure if you want to incorporate squads in his Affinity power or not.
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Is this what we are looking at changing it to?

ADVANCED PLAN
After rolling for initiative and before any Order Markers are revealed, you may immediately choose any two unrevealed opponent's Order Markers to view. After viewing an opponent's Order Markers, you may move one Order Marker from any card you control to any other card you control.

ANDROID AFFINITY
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Mad Thinker, you may take a turn with an Android Hero you control. After taking a turn with an Android Hero, you may reveal an X Order Marker on this Army Card to take an additional turn with any Android Hero you control.
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One other thing...Master Mold is an Android Hero.
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