The Book of Punisher (Defenders)

[MrNobody]

I meant just giving him some Flashbangs at the start of the game. Toss one, Punisher shoots the affected figure, then they get a fistful of indestructible fist from Luke.

I guess I’m just coming from the angle that the figure movement angle isn’t inmediately singing to me? Punisher protects his allies by murdering people who come near them, not by making enemies run around.

[Ronin]

The recruitment is wack, I'd definitely steer away from that.

[IAmBatman]

I might adjust the first power to something like this (still works with Daredevil, but better with Fighters, but DD wants to be around due to Luke anyway):

MARVEL KNIGHTS PROTECTION
If an opponent’s figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Punisher targets a figure you control for an attack, you may roll the 20-sided die, adding 4 to the roll if the targeted figure is a Fighter. If you roll 16 or higher, the opponent that controls the attacking figure may allow you to move that figure 1 space. If the figure is:
• not moved 1 space, it receives 1 wound; or
• moved 1 space, you may roll the 20-sided die again.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Like, his last power is essentially an overkill power - and that should definitely cause other heroes to spring into action. But like, to subdue and imprison the Punisher, not help him murder more dudes. It's a solid powerset, but I just don't see it as a valid one for the character/faction.

His last power is that he's laying down a lot of firepower and people are moving as a result. Like, if you are on my team or not, and you start shooting up the area, I'm gonna move. So I think the theme works just fine there.

[MrNobody]

Here’s my suggestion. Definitely not trying to force you into a direction you don’t want to go, and. understand if you want to scrap him, but something like this seems exciting to me;

DISORIENTING FLASH-BANGS
Start the game with 3 Glyphs of Utility: Flash Bang Grenade on this card. Immediately after revealing an Order Marker on this card, you may use a Flash Bang Grenade on this card. If a figure you control inflicts 1 or more wounds on a figure affected by a Flash Bang Grenade with an attack, you may move the wounded figure up to 2 spaces. Figures moved in this way will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

PUNISHING SHOT SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 8. Attack 2.
If the defending figure is engaged with one or more figures you control, all skulls rolled count as additional hits.

COVER FIRE

So he can Flash Bang enemies to make them easier to hit, then he or his allies can knock them around a bit. Then, when the enemy tries to move back into engagement, Punisher gets a chance to auto-wound them.

[Ronin]

I'd make him a Fighter so that he gets drawn into that web and then keep whatever benefit he provides open-ended.

IMO, if you straight-up made this an MCU Punisher card you could get away with more on a synergy front.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I might adjust the first power to something like this (still works with Daredevil, but better with Fighters, but DD wants to be around due to Luke anyway):

MARVEL KNIGHTS PROTECTION
If an opponent’s figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Punisher targets a figure you control for an attack, you may roll the 20-sided die, adding 4 to the roll if the targeted figure is a Fighter. If you roll 16 or higher, the opponent that controls the attacking figure may allow you to move that figure 1 space. If the figure is:
• not moved 1 space, it receives 1 wound; or
• moved 1 space, you may roll the 20-sided die again.

The power is supposed to specifically help DD's defense, so I'd rather just do a DD callout if anything, rather then purposefully cut him out.

And sorry MrN, but not interested in a glyph design here. Might be fun for another Punisher, but that's not for me.

[IAmBatman]

I'd just do this, then, along with rebranding this an MCU version (and keeping him as a Fighter):

MARVEL KNIGHTS PROTECTION
If an opponent’s figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Punisher targets a figure you control for an attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher, the opponent that controls the attacking figure may allow you to move that figure 1 space. If the figure is:
• not moved 1 space, it receives 1 wound; or
• moved 1 space, you may roll the 20-sided die again.

[johnny139]

Honestly, a Daredevil callout is probably the worst way to go about it - those are two characters who straight up don't like or respect each other. (Like, the Marvel Knights run starts with him trying to HUNT DOWN Punisher, creating an uneasy alliance, and ending with him hunting down Daredevil and his team!) Even in the show, the best you get is "uneasy acceptance that they can co-exist." Any power tying them together should have significant tension.

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

His last power is that he's laying down a lot of firepower and people are moving as a result. Like, if you are on my team or not, and you start shooting up the area, I'm gonna move. So I think the theme works just fine there.

Sure, but you have to take context into account - it's on a design that's intentionally meant to facilitate gameplay for the Crime Fighters/Fighters as a faction, named "Relentless Punishment." I don't think my reading is a stretch.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Power names are easily changed and I'm not married to any of them.

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[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by johnny139

*snip*

OK, now do that thing where you make a positive suggestion for directions.

[Lord Pyre]

My goal is to have Luke, DD, Iron Fist, Jessica (Jewel), and Punisher be a 1000 point synergistic army. I felt like this direction did just that, and I felt like it felt like Punisher.

If we're not okay with this in general, just let me know and I'll scrap it. If we can make it work in a way that makes everyone happy, great. I just don't know how at the moment.