The Book of Spider-UK

[tcglkn]

SPIDER-VERSE COORDINATION
Once per round before taking a turn with Spider-UK, you may take a turn with each other figure you control with the Swing Line or Web Swing special power. Figures you control may not attack during this turn. You may not take additional turns with figures you control.

I'd probably just go with this, it might make a few of them slightly better if they get to do something like Web Slinger, but they don't get to attack which is the key thing and keeps the power the simplest.

Also you have a typo in the last line of that power

[Lord Pyre]

Kaine would love it, along with any other future Spiders. But maybe we could say choose 3 spiders rather than all. Might reign it in a tad.

[tcglkn]

Probably better to limit something like this anyways so it doesn't scale out of hand when you get to 2000 point armies

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Simplest thing would be "Figures you control may not attack during this turn, or use any special powers other than the Web Swing or Swing Line special powers." but that cuts out, say, Flying on a Spider-Man that doesn't swing.

Actually I think this might work. If we count that flying power as web swing (like we basically do in our synergy wording), they should be able to use that power. And if it’s not immediately apparent, we’ll throw an FAQ up here.

Does that sound workable and reasonable?

[tcglkn]

Kinda weird with Spider-Boy who can't use his Personal Gravity Manipulation. And straight up Flying would never count as Web Swing since it's a symbol, so Captain Universe Spidey wouldn't get to use it as I have him drafted and there's not really a way to fix that.

[Lord Pyre]

Compiling some data here. Figure who would be able to take actions if we did the "take a turn but not attack" route.

Anti-Venom (healing)
Spider-Girl (Field Pulse)

...Which is not much actually. I thought Kaine would use his stinger, but they're "instead of attacking" so it wouldn't trigger. I don't believe Pete's Slinger would work either, but I get that that one might be a bit of a gray area.

So given that data, how do we feel about moving forward with this? The only thing is we'll have to watch all future Spider designs to not break with UK here, but I don't think that would be a major problem, given that only two out of our like 15 are affected. Anti-Venom might be pretty potent, but even then I'm not terribly worried.

Once per round before taking a turn with Spider-UK, you may take a turn with up to 3 other figures you control with the Swing Line or Web Swing special power. Figures you control may only move during this turn. you may not take additional turns with figures you control.

[tcglkn]

I think it's cool that turns like this offer a few units a bit more opportunity to shine and I think that's the cleaning way to move forward.

[Lord Pyre]

I propose we move to initial testing

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?

Yes movement, but only with Spiders.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?

Nope

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?

Nope

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?

Nope

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?

Nope

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?

Nope


Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?

Nope

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?

He boosts Spider attacks!

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?

Nope

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?

Nope

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?

Nope

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?

Nope


Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?

Nope

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?

Nope

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?

Nope

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?

Nope

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?

Nope

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?

Nope

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.

Yep

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.

Yep

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.

Yep

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.

Yep

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.

Yep

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.

Just Web Swing.

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

Yep

[Tornado]

Yea

[tcglkn]

Yea

[johnny139]

Yea

Ultimately I like the idea of a huge swarm of people web-swinging forward, but I can't disagree that putting a cap on it is easier for balance and letting you do some interesting bonus stuff here and there opens some design space.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Ultimately I like the idea of a huge swarm of people web-swinging forward, but I can't disagree that putting a cap on it is easier for balance and letting you do some interesting bonus stuff here and there opens some design space.

Yeah the visual aspect is cool, but it would be a bit much in huge games. This way you still get 4, and I don't imagine you'll have TOO many more Spiders than that in any normal sized game.