Johnny Silverhand

[Karat]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Allied isn't what you want there either. Basically the rules hardcode in that you can only take turns with stuff you control, so you don't have to spell out "Adventurer you control" on Reed's power, you can just say "Adventurer." But with stuff like Leo and Johnny, nothing is stopping you from choosing an allied figure or enemy, so it could potentially be read as letting you take control on other player's figures.

I personally am fine losing the minor gameplay advantage on Chippin' In in exchange for way simpler wording, but opinions may vary there! Nbd either way.

This doesn't make sense. You just contradicted yourself because by that logic Reed could do just that as well

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Karat

This doesn't make sense. You just contradicted yourself because by that logic Reed could do just that as well

Sure! That's the correct answer. But to phrase it another way - nothing is stopping you from choosing another player's figures, so it kinda leads the player to question what happens when you do. It wouldn't be impossible to imagine a player making the wrong assumption.

But whatever works here! I'll follow suit on Leo probably.

[Karat]

Not sure it matters here as long as we specify Allied as the rulebook dictates that, as a default, your ally would activate any figures they control.

Also, it's completely thematic for him to be pulling in another group IMO. Like he and Rogue Amendiares often ran "power to the people" operations where they were sticking it to the corporations but Johnny would kind of go AWOL and do his own thing, which is how he ended up dieing and becoming a program on a chip.

The "you control" language is useful but in this case, I think I'd lean against it for more interesting gameplay. I think the same for Leo too. I do think the you control language could have its place but that this isn't the place personally.

[Lord Pyre]

Went with Karat's wording as I do still want to keep the second roll after the first if possible. I've played him a lot that way (It's pretty useful being able to adjust your choices depending on what happens with your first roll), and also I don't want to play him wrong after this time, hah.

I propose we move to art (Unless it needs the Final Editing forum, but I think we were kind of there already)

[IAmBatman]

yea

Fwiw, you can only activate figures on your team, so you'd have to add other figures to your team in order to activate them, including allies (unless playing with the Arkham rules alternative group play rules).

[Lord Pyre]

Hmm, not sure that's super intuitive. If a power specifies "activate an enemy figure," then that power should supersede the rules (based on every game ever).

Should be the same with allies. So if we prefer him taking a turn with only figures on your team, I really don't mind. But as-is it should work with teammates figures (which I assume are allies).

But that's a conversation for the rulebook thread, doesn't really matter here.

[Lord Pyre]

Updated to specify "on your team" rather than allied. I think we're set here then.

[IAmBatman]

[MrNobody]

Yea

[Ericth74]

yea

[Ronin]

yea

I favor "After Blorbo's ordered activation" vs "After an ordered activation with Blorbo" but the latter isn't wrong.

[Arch-vile]

Should “you control” in the last power be “on your team”? (I don’t know, I just thought they meant the same thing and you have “on your team” in the earlier powers.)

I’d make a decision on the faction before moving to Art.

Yea