The Book of Spider-Woman (Ashley)

[tcglkn]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Spider-Woman (Ashley)

Version tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = SPIDER-WOMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = ASHLEY BARTON

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME LORD
PERSONALITY = PRAGMATIC

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 160

SPIDER STRIKE 9
After moving and before attacking, you may choose a figure Spider-Woman passed over with her Swing Line special power and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 9 or higher, that figure receives a wound.

MAKING AN EXAMPLE
If an opponent's figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Spider-Woman has any wounds inflicted on it during Spider-Woman's turn, the next time you roll for initiative all opposing players subtract 2 from their rolls. If that opponent's figure is a Hero that is destroyed, for the rest of the round, enemy figures within 5 clear sight spaces of Spider-Woman roll one fewer defense die.

SWING LINE 4
Instead of her normal move, Spider-Woman may move up to 4 spaces with Swing Line. When moving with Swing Line, Spider-Woman has the Flying special power, but may not move up or down more than 40 levels in a single swing, and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

SUPER STRENGTH

Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Spider-Woman (Ashley) (160), Spider-Man (Otto), Spider-UK, Ghost-Spider, Spider-Man (Assassin) (1000) VS Doctor Octopus (Sinister Six), Kraven, Electro, Sandman, Vulture and Mysterio (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage: 3 wounds on Sandman

Spider Strike: Gave 1 wound to Electro and 1 wound to Sandman, failed 3 other attempts.

Making an Example: The initiative boost happened a few times but never impacted the rolls. Only got the defense subtraction to happen once for one turn.

Spider-Woman and Ghost-Spider were the Reinforcements. Kraven is hunting Spider-UK.

All the Spiders advance together, the Sinister Six do as well. At the start of round 2, Ashley and Gwen join Spidey Assassin to gang up on Sandman and are able to take him down in a couple of turns while only taking 4 wounds between the 3 of them. Kraven engages UK and gives him 3 wounds but Otto comes over to help out and they are about to take Kraven down when he finishes off Spider-UK. From there the Sinister Six gain momentum and take down both Ghost-Spider and Spider-Woman fairly quickly while only losing Kraven and Vulture. Electro and Doc Ock are able to take down Superior Spidey in a cruel twist of face for Otto. Spider-Man Assassin almost got to take out Doc Ock but was taken out by a 3 wound Electric Skin roll.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Electro with 3 wounds, Doc Ock with 4 wounds and Mysterio with no wounds.

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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Spider-Woman (Ashley) (160), The Enforcers, Hobgoblin (900) VS Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch and Crystal (900)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage: 2 wounds to Invisible Woman

Spider Strike: Put one wound on both Invisible Woman and Human Torch with this. Only failed one roll this game.

Making an Example: Once again the +2 to initiative never came into play when rolling for init. And she never destroyed a figure to get the defense subtraction.

The Enforcers were able get into position before the Fan 4 and the engaged Mister Fantastic. Mister Fantastic gave Fancy Dan 3 wounds but Ox was able to land a big hit and take him down. Human Torch is able to take out Montana and Fancy Dan with one Flame On and an attack. Spider-Woman wounded Human Torch with Spider Strike and then put a few wounds on Invisible Woman before Crystal finished Ashley off. Hobgoblin was able to clean up the rest of the Fan 4 on their own.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Hobgoblin with 2 wounds

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I like Spider Strike a lot. Make an Example felt a little underwhelming to me, but I never had any close initiative rolls and the destroying part is going to come up less often. But I don't have any issue with it. She's fun with the Enforcers.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I really like this design. Gonna have to get caught up on the Spider-Faction.

[Lord Pyre]

From JoshuaQuinn:

Originally Posted by JoshuaQuinn

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Spider-Woman Ashley Barton

Army Test
Map: Sacred Shrine
Units: Kingpin, Hired Guns, Hobgoblin, Absorbing Man vs Manticore, Positron, Yellow Jacket, Wasp, Shield Sniper, Mad Hatter, Skycycle Hawkeye, Black Knight

Spider-Woman found herself back to work for the Kingpin in this match trying to recover the artifact from the sacred shrine. The real heroes of the game were the Hired Guns and Hobgoblin. Early in the game the hired guns took out Manticore and put a hard hit on several other units. Eventually they took out Hawkeye and Mad Hatter. Absorbing Man went in and did some damage but couldn’t take anyone down. He was eventually taken out by Positron. Kingpin and Black Knight fought for control of the sacred artifact for several rounds until Kingpin finally overpowered the knight. Spider-Woman snuck up on Wasp and took her out. Leaving Yellow Jacket Devistated. Positron then eliminated Spider-Woman mid way through the game. With Black Knight out of the game the rest fell pretty quickly. Yellow Jackets heartache couldn’t withstand the constant peppering from Hobgoblin and fell quickly. From there Hobgoblin and the Hired Guns made short work of Positron and then the Mad Hatter. The shield sniper did his best to hold off the inevitable, but eventually Hobgoblin took him down as well.

The game ended with Kingpin (-1 Health); Hobgoblin (Full Health); 2 Hired Guns.


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Army Test
Map: Swamp Lab
Units: Nebula, Viper, Hired Guns, Intergang Agents, Juggernaut vs Swamp Thing, Deathstroke, Solomon Grundy, Moon Knight, Black Manta

Spider-Woman took her place as the Crime Lord she was meant to be. She partnered with the hired guns and Nebula for an extra boost. The game started with Black Manta making a move on the lab and Deathstroke striding into the battle. The Hired Guns once again proved their worth by intercepting Deathstroke while Spider-Woman, the Intergang Agents, Nebula and Viper went to work on Black Manta. The hired guns eliminated Deathstroke within 2-3 rounds. While the barrage of Spider-Woman’s Spider strike and the Nebula-Viper team up took down Black Manta while he was busing trying to take care of the Intergang Agents. Swamp thing was in the battle then along with Solomon Grundy and Moon Knight. After a lot of maneuvering Swamp Thing, Solomon Grundy and Juggernaut found themselves duking it out. Moon Knight was left to deal with the Fem Fatales and fell quickly in one of the last rounds. Juggernaut eventually fell to the blows of the other two power houses but he did enough damage for Spider-Woman to use her Spider Strike to deal the final blow to Solomon Grundy, lowering Swamp things defense. He made a retreat but found he couldn’t run from Nebula and Viper who overtook him and ended the green.

Spider-Woman (Full Health); Nebula (-3), Viper (Full), Intergang Agent (1 left), Hired Guns (2 left)

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Spider-Woman was a little more fun to play with in the second game as I was much more aggressive with her. However, I never really felt like her “make an example” power was super powerful. -2 initiative never came in to play; maybe increase that to 5 or something to make it have some weight, or -2 for each wound inflicted. The -1 defense also wasn’t a big deal. There are so many ways to bolster defense it really didn’t help a ton and only works if you do damage in round 1 or 2 slightly. I would maybe boost that to -2. I know she is a low point value, but that is my thought on her.

She paired well with the hired guns but I hated never getting to use her. With the range and height advantage the hired guns could roll 4 and felt a little more powerful for a lower point value. If there was someone like Viper who could pair with her that would be good (Viper can only pair with Assassins or Mercenaries. I liked Nebula because if Spider-Woman didn’t do damage then Nebula could have a second shot so that was nice.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Spider-Woman has some neat powers and some things that I would want to play with but if it came down to it I don’t think I would grab her on the regular. For a similar point value I would choose viper or the hired guns probably. Just my thoughts. Good luck finishing her out.

[Lord Pyre]

I think we should overhaul "Making an Example" a tad. Both tests so far seem to show it being lackluster, and I know Bats said he didn't like the memory aspect of it. I'll think on it throughout the day, and would welcome other thoughts too! Just want to still make her a good draft with Otto.

Here's a quick thought off the top of my head, which would keep the Superior Spidey synergy and make it easier to trigger. We lose the defense subtraction but I'm not sure if we loved that anyway.

If a figure you control would inflict any number of wounds on an opponents' figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Spider-Woman, place a Red Example Marker on this card, to a maximum of 4(?). At the start of the next round, remove all Example markers from this card and add the number or removed markers to your initiative roll.

[Lord Pyre]

Another thought could be to just reuse Demoralizing Presence from Leatherface (Or tweak it as needed)

DEMORALIZING PRESENCE
When rolling for initiative, each opponent must subtract 1 from their roll for each Order Marker on the Army Card of a figure they control without the Fearless personality that is within 4 clear sight spaces of Leatherface.

Thoughts?

[MrNobody]

I do like Demoralizing Presence. Does it kind of defeat the point of pairing her with Otto though? You want OMs on her to help him win initiative, but then if you win, you want OMs on him to take double turns.

[Lord Pyre]

The OMs need to be on opponent's cards, not Ashley. It's a passive power. She's just not wearing other people's skin so it's a bit iffy thematically without some sort of tweak.

Without the defense reduction, we could kick up her life to 5 (On Par with her thematic buddy Assassin Spidey) if that keeps her at 160.

[MrNobody]

Ah yeah, I forgot how the power works lol.

[tcglkn]

I actually like that reuse a good bit here.

[Karat]

That's a good reuse.

[Lord Pyre]

Cool. I think I'll go with that, and bump up her life one. It might be easier to get the Initiative boost now, but you do lose the defense reduction, and a little more durability helps her on the front lines.

[MrNobody]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Spider-Woman

Army Test 1
Map: Castle Dracula (Custom Map)
Units: Team 1 (1,000): Spider-Woman (160), Otto (260), Spider-UK (210), Ghost-Spider (190), Assassin (180)
Team 2 (1,000): Iron Man (Avengers) (270), Ms. Marvel (Carol) (350), Spider-Woman (210), Black Widow (170)

Pre-game thoughts: Gwen and Assassin are the Reinforcements

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T2 wins initiative
-Troops advance

Round 2: T1 wins initiative (due to Demoralizing Presence)
-Otto inflicts 2 wounds on Tony
-Otto summons the Reinforcements
-Carol counters Assassin, inflicting a wound
-Gwen inflicts a wound on Tony
-Tony inflicts 2 wounds on Gwen
-Carol inflicts a wound on Barton
-Gwen takes out Tony
-Barton inflicts a wound on Carol with Spider Strike
-Barton inflicts a wound on Carol
-Carol counters Barton, inflicting a wound
-Carol inflicts 2 wounds on Barton

Round 3: T1 wins initiative
-Carol takes out Barton
-UK inflicts 2 wounds on Widow
-Widow takes out Gwen
-Otto inflicts a wound on Widow
-Widow inflicts a wound on UK
-Carol inflicts a wound on Assassin

Round 4: T2 wins initiative
-Widow inflicts 2 wounds on UK
-Carol inflicts 3 wounds on Otto
-Otto inflicts a wound on Carol
-Widow inflicts a wound on UK

Round 5: T2 wins initiative
-Carol takes out Otto
-Carol counters UK, taking him out
-Widow inflicts a wound on Assassin
-T1 had OM2 on Otto, so they lose that turn
-Carol takes out Assassin


Special power usages:
Normal attack: 1 wounds inflicted (1 on Ms. Marvel)
Spider Strike: 1 wounds inflicted (1 on Ms. Marvel)
Demoralizing Presence: Swung initiative in R2

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Ms. Marvel (3/5 wounds), Black Widow (3/5 wounds), Spider-Woman (0/5 wounds)

Post-game thoughts: One of those games where it really looked like the Spiders had it in the first half, but really faltered in the second. Barton felt useful here, especially in R2 when she was able to subtract a whole -4 from the enemy’s initiative, leading to a switch.

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Army Test 2
Map: Castle Dracula (Custom Map)
Units: Team 1 (1,000): Spider-Woman (Barton) (160), Otto (260), Captain Universe (350), Ghost-Spider (190), Spider-Cat (40)
Team 2 (1,000): Nick Fury (220), SHIELD Agents x3 (330), Captain America (C3G II) (220), Spider-Woman (Drew) (210), Scorpion (120)

Pre-game thoughts: Barton and Gwen are the Reinforcements. Cap picks Spider-Woman (Drew) and Scorpion as his Avengers

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T1 wins initiative
-Nick and some Agents drop in
-Universe takes out 2 Agents
-Cap inflicts 2 wounds on Universe
-Universe inflicts 2 wounds on Cap
-Otto takes out an Agent
-Universe inflicts 2 wounds on Fury
-Cap counters Otto, inflicting a wound
-An Agent inflicts a wound on Universe

Round 2: T2 wins initiative
-Fury takes a LEA from Universe
-An Agent takes out Universe
-Otto takes out an Agent
-Otto summons the Reinforcement
-Barton takes out an Agent with Spider Strike
-Barton inflicts 2 wounds on Scorpion
-Cap inflicts a wound on Otto
-An Agent inflicts 2 wounds on Gwen
-Gwen takes out Fury
-T2 had OM3 on Fury, so they lose a turn
-Otto inflicts a wound on Cap

Round 3: T1 wins initiative
-Barton takes out an Agent
-Otto inflicts a wound on Cap
-Barton inflicts a wound on Scorpion with Spider Strike
-Jessica inflicts 2 wounds on Otto
-Barton takes out Cap
-Scorpion takes out Otto

Round 4: T2 wins initiative
-Jessica inflicts 2 wounds on Barton
-Barton inflicts a wound on Jessica with Spider Strike
-Barton takes out Scorpion
-T2 had OM2 on Scorpion, so they lose that turn
-Barton inflicts a wound on Jessica with Spider Strike
-Barton inflicts a wound on Jessica
-Jessica inflicts a wound on Barton
-Gwen takes out an Agent

Round 5: T1 wins initiative (due to Demoralizing Presence)
-Jessica takes out Barton
-Gwen takes out an Agent
-Jessica inflicts a wound on Gwen

Round 6: T2 wins initiative
-Jessica takes out Gwen
-T1 had OM1 on Gwen, so they lose a turn
-Jessica takes out Spider-Cat


Special power usages:
Normal attack: 7 wounds inflicted (4 on Scorpion, 1 on SHIELD Agents, 1 on Cap, 1 on Jessica Drew)
Spider Strike: 4 wounds inflicted (1 on SHIELD Agents, 1 on Scorpion, 2 on Jessica Drew)
Demoralizing Presence: Led to an initiative switch in Round 5

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) (3/5 wounds), 1 SHIELD Agent

NOTE: I played Pheromone Distraction (“When an opponent’s figure...ends its movement”) as triggering before Spider Strike (“After moving and before attacking”), which would’ve mattered 2 times.

Post-game thoughts: Close game! Demoralizing Presence definitely affected OM placement once Fury went down. I like how that power works a lot, and it fits good here.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Feels just about perfect! She feels like she affects gameplay for sure, but not majorly, which is spot-on what I want from a character at this level.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Feels great!

Here you go! I made sure to use Spider-Woman (Drew) in both games, just to make life difficult for you. (I tried to avoid it, but she fit perfect in both enemy armies.)