C3G Unit Discussion - SSE S1 ; Part 2

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Tornado

But we do have figures that modify special attacks, do we not?


Also the elves in original Heroscape can modify their fireball SAs.

The figures we have specify that they can break the rules and modify SAs.

The elves in Classic do not modify any special attacks...?

[Tornado]

The mage ones with fireball SAs. The attack dice increases with each mage around them.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

The figures we have specify that they can break the rules and modify SAs.

The elves in Classic do not modify any special attacks...?

We've ruled that re-rolling is not the same as modifying when it comes to SAs.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Tornado

The mage ones with fireball SAs. The attack dice increases with each mage around them.

They're not modifying any special attacks, that's just their special attack.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

We've ruled that re-rolling is not the same as modifying when it comes to SAs.

Semantics. Either way, we have powers that let you do something against the rules. That's how most special abilities in games just work.

[IAmBatman]

The special attack modifying itself is different than another card/power modifying the special attack.

[Tornado]

OK, lame. I would suggest adding that to Sage's card if she was not already so good.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Semantics. Either way, we have powers that let you do something against the rules. That's how most special abilities in games just work.

I know I've made this argument before, but I feel like "No SA modification" is a harder rule than most regular ones. Like sure, special powers break the rules, so you could have one modify SAs, but you could also have a special power that does turn interruption or a special power that automatically wins you the game. Just cause you can doesn't mean you should.

Anyways, Iceman is cool. He and Beast often feel like the most replaceable of the OG X-Men, but that 5 Attack SA is always useful at the end of the day.

[IAmBatman]

I'm definitely interested in exploring "alternate win condition" mechanics, fwiw.

[Yodaking]

For me it's the SA that gets him drafted. For a long time most SA were rolling 3 or 4 dice, so getting a SA that rolled 5 dice for just 150 points is pretty sweet. Lots of defense power only work vs. normal attacks, so having a strong SA in your back pocket is always a good idea when army building. Now there are quite a few strong SA's to choose from, but many of them come with a higher price tag which means Bobby remains a good pick.

[toyhandle]

Not to disrupt the format of this thread, but I want to hear some pro, in depth advice on the X-Men vs FF match-up.

In my experience, the no.1 target for the FF is Jean Grey, because she can unwrap Mr. Fantastic, de-pod Invisible Woman, and toss Thing somewhere he'll take a long time to get back from. The X-Men are not as much of a threat to the FF once she's gone.
Beast can Negotiate with Reed, but he can't stealth leap away.
Human Torch is the Prof X assassin with his auto-wounds.

[IAmBatman]

Jean is definitely the biggest threat to the Fan Four, yeah. She has two of the three things they hate the most (figure movement and auto-wounding -- she lacks the third, which is mind control). Human Torch can do the most damage to the Fan Four with his auto wounds, but Jean can at least try to keep him from engaging Professor X, who is his likely target. While Jean does the most damage to the Fan Four, Professor X is their queen piece -- they just lose so much efficiency without him.

Even without Jean, though, so long as Professor X is around, the X-Men can send in two at a time, more than Mister Fantastic can Rubber Wrap reliably, to assassinate Invisible Woman. They just have to be sure to be efficient about it, or Thing will make them pay.