The Book of Scarlet Witch (Avengers)

[Arkham]

I hear ya. I think with Raven, her own survivability isn't necessarily the issue most would say is the real difficulty, it's everything else at play. Superboy can protect her, Starfire gets stronger the more wounds a figure has while managing to stay alive, and Raven can mass heal a teammate, then start healing them off while dishing one out. Outside of that trifecta combo, she's actually pretty fine. It's also worth noting she's almost half the points of Scarlet, so it can also be a factor of how much value is being packed for the amount of points being invested.

All that said, I don't really think it should be an issue at all here. Very different factions, different feels, and Scarlet having 4 life is a bigger vulnerability in many situations, especially if the opponent has an auto-wounder, which they absolutely should for a well made army in most cases.

Loki II, for example, has 4 Life and 6 Defense with MD, and I used him in the Gundam tournament. Both games he was handedly beaten and I don't think anyone would have even remotely thought he was difficult to take out, even with his re-rolling capabilities. At the end of the day, a single die only has a 33% chance to roll a shield, so in general, she's still going to get eaten up by multi attackers, turn bonders, and anyone with an average attack roll given that skulls are easier than shields of course. Then if the opponent has auto-wounding or a MD themselves, easy peezy.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

all this time I had it in my head that she had 5 life. I apologize for getting that wrong. My bad. Carry on. Could’ve sworn I read 5 life when I first read the card at the Con.

[IAmBatman]

I think that last year this time I would've thought Magical Defense was stronger, and that Raven could still use a drop in life, but honestly I think the metagame has really caught up with both of those (a big increase in auto wounders has helped a lot, as well as turn efficiency options for more major factions). I've also done a lot of competitive play with Raven since then and while she's quite good, she's not close to a world beater.

[Lord Pyre]

I wasn't really part of this discussion, but I'm good with cutting unfun interactions in general. And resurrecting the corpse is a cool mechanic. I have a few Magic the Gathering strategies based around cards that do this exact thing. I don't read much Scarlet Witch specifically, so I have to trust you on theme.

[Arkham]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Scarlet Witch

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Scarlet Witch(330), Ms. Marvel(350), Doctor Strange(320) (1000)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Cap II(220), Ronin(180) (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
2 wounds on Iron Fist, kills him. (+1 from height, 1 blank = 4 skulls)
2 wounds on Cap(botch). (1 blank = 2 skulls)
3 wounds on Cap, kills him. (1 blank = 4 skulls)
1 wound on Luke Cage. (2 blanks = 3 skulls)
1 wound on Luke Cage. (2 blanks = 3 skulls)

Uncanny Avenger:
R2T2: Scarlet places Ms. Marvel back on the map. Marvel takes a turn with Strange, then puts 2 wounds on Fist.
R3T1: Scarlet places Strange back on the map. Scarlet takes a turn with Strange, he moves Fist, taking 1 wound from LEAs, moving OM3 from Cage to Iron Fist, and moving Cap back a space.

Notes:
Cap puts Avenger Markers on Ronin and Iron Fist.

R1: Cap, Ronin, and Fist move up. Strange teleports Marvel and Scarlet. Strange puts 2 wounds on Ronin. Ms. Marvel kills Ronin. Moon Knight puts a wound on Ms. Marvel with CD, but misses on Strange.

R2: Strange rolls lower on initiative, puts a wound on himself. Cap and Fist move up. Moon Knight puts a wound on Strange with CD, but misses on Marvel. Cage puts a wound on Strange. Strange moves people around, moves the X off of Fist, and then puts a wound on Cage. Marvel puts 2 wounds on Moon Knight. Fist kills Ms. Marvel(botch). Cage puts a wound on Strange. Strange puts a wound on Fist. Fist puts a wound on Strange(botch). Cage kills Strange.

R3: Fist puts a wound on Scarlet, then heals a wound. Cage puts a wound on Scarlet.

R4: Cage puts a wound on Scarlet. Cage kills Scarlet.


Luke Cage with 3/5 wounds. (2 life)
Moon Knight with 2/5 wounds. (3 life)

Close matchup that felt like anyone's game, with the slight edge to the Fighters. Ms. Marvel's botched defense getting killed by Fist fairly early hurt their chances and probably made the biggest difference. Scarlet stayed back and then allowed a couple turn bonding opportunities once her allies fell.

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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Scarlet Witch(330), Wasp(160), She-Hulk(370), Quicksilver(240) (1100)
vs.
Professor X(220), Angel(90), Gorgon(300), Phoenix(230), Colossus(260) (1100)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
5 wounds on Gorgon(+1). (+1 from height, 2 blanks = 6 skulls)
2 wounds on Colossus. (+1 from height, 1 blank = 4 skulls)
1 wound on Colossus. (+1 from height)
1 wound on Angel. (1 blank = 2 skulls)
1 wound on Colossus, kills him. (+1 from height, 1 blank = 4 skulls)
2 wounds on Professor X(botch).

Uncanny Avenger:


Notes:
R1: She-Hulk puts a wound on Colossus(botch). Phoenix moves She-Hulk with PB, then puts a wound on her, then attacks her for 2 wounds(botch). She-Hulk objects to Gorgon's turn. Quicksilver uses Destabilization and puts a wound on Colossus, Phoenix, Gorgon(killing him), Professor X, and Angel. Quicksilver saves She-Hulk's life, taking 2 wounds for it. Phoenix moves She-Hulk with PB, putting 1 wound on her, then attacks Quicksilver for 1 wound. Professor X reveals X, blocking Scarlet's attack.

R2: Phoenix puts a wound on Scarlet. Scarlet takes 1 wound from LEA. She-Hulk takes 1 wound from LEA, puts a wound on Phoenix with SS, takes 1 wound from her PF, then kills Phoenix(botch), and takes 1 additional wound from her PF. Angel puts a wound on Quicksilver. Colossus kills Quicksilver. Professor X reveals X to block She-Hulk's attack.

R3: Professor X reveals X to block She-Hulk's attack. Angel puts a wound on Scarlet. She-Hulk kills Angel. She-Hulk kills Professor X.


She-Hulk with 6/7 wounds. (1 life)
Scarlet Witch with 3/4 wounds. (1 life)
Wasp unwounded.

Close finish that was anyone's game. Gorgon with a poor defense roll out of the gate really put the Avengers in an advantageous position.

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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Scarlet Witch(330), Vision(340), Spider-Man(280), Cap(240) (1200)
vs.
Black Canary(220), Green Arrow(210), Hawkwoman(260), Wonder Woman(310), Plastic Man II(200) (1200)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
1 wound on Plastic Man(+1), kills him. (+1 from Cap, 1 blank = 2 skulls)
2 wounds on Wonder Woman(+1). (+blank from Vision = 4 skulls)
1 wound on Wonder Woman(+1), kills her.
2 wounds on Green Arrow, kills him.

Uncanny Avenger:
R3T1: Places Cap back on the board. He puts 1 wound on Hawkwoman. Provides his +1 to Spider-Man.
R4T1: Places Vision back on the board. He puts a wound on WW and removes her OM2.

Notes:
Vision rolls 3 skulls, 2 shields, and 1 blank.

R1: WW removes a marker. Plastic Man is placed next to a bush. Cap puts 4 wounds on Plastic Man(botch). Canary misses her Cry. GA removes a marker, puts a wound on Cap. Hawkwoman puts a wound on Cap, places a marker back on WW. GA removes a marker. Canary misses her Cry.

R2: WW removes a marker. Cap puts a wound on Hawkwoman with the help of Vision. Spider-Man puts 2 wounds on Hawkwoman. Canary puts a wound on Cap and Spider-Man with her Cry. Canary removes a marker. Hawkwoman puts a wound on Cap, places a marker back onto GA. GA removes a marker. Spider-Man puts a wound on Canary. Canary removes a marker. GA removes a marker. Vision kills Canary. Canary misses her Cry.

R3: WW removes a marker. GA removes a marker, kills Cap. Spider-Man kills Hawkwoman. Wonder Woman puts 2 wounds on Vision.

R4: WW removes last marker. WW puts a wound on Scarlet. Vision puts a wound on WW. WW puts 3 wounds on Vision(botch). Spider-Man puts a wound on WW.

R5: WW kills Vision(botch). GA puts a wound on Scarlet. Spider-Man puts 2 wounds on GA.


Scarlet Witch with 2/4 wounds. (2 life)
Spider-Man with 1/5 wounds. (4 life)

Plastic Man and Hawkwoman struggled to do much of worth here. The former falling fast with no rebounds, and the latter struggling to land any big hits or defenses.

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Army Test 4
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Scarlet Witch(330), Quicksilver(240), Spider-Man(280), Thor(440), Final Ruin(10) (1300)
vs.
Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240), Ms. Marvel(350), Wolverine(270), Daredevil(200) (1300)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
1 wound on Winter Soldier(+2). (+1 from height)
1 wound on Winter Soldier(+1), kills him. (1 blank = 4 skulls)
4 wounds on Wolverine(+1). (+1 from height, 1 blank = 6 skulls)
1 wound on Wolverine(+1). (+1 from height, 1 blank = 4 skulls)
1 wound on Wolverine(+1), kills him. (+1 from height)
1 wound on Ms. Marvel, kills her. (1 blank = 2 skulls)

Uncanny Avenger:
R3T3: Places Thor back on the board. Thor kills Cap(botch), puts a wound on Ms. Marvel, and kills Daredevil. Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Quicksilver. Ms. Marvel kills Quicksilver.
R4T3: Places Quicksilver on the board. Quicksilver uses his Destabilization to put a wound on Ms. Marvel.
R5T1: Places Spider-Man on the board. Fails to inflict a wound on Ms. Marvel.

Notes:
R1: Thor puts 2 wounds on Winter Soldier. WS misses his GYS. Ms. Marvel puts 2 wounds on Spider-Man. Thor misses his 2 AA rolls.

R2: Cap puts a wound on Thor. WS takes 1 wound from LEA. Scarlet takes 1 wound from GYS. Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Thor. Spider-Man puts a wound on Daredevil. Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Thor(botch). Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Thor. Thor puts a wound on Cap and Ms. Marvel, Daredevil's GTD is triggered.

R3: Thor puts a wound on Daredevil. Spider-Man puts a wound on Daredevil. Daredevil puts 2 wounds on Thor(botch). Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Thor. Spider-Man's GTD is triggered. Ms. Marvel kills Thor.

R4: Wolverine puts a wound on Quicksilver. Quicksilver saves Spider-Man, taking 1 wound for it, and putting 1 wound on Ms. Marvel.

R5: Ms. Marvel kills Spider-Man. Scarlet Witch takes a wound from Ms. Marvel's BD. Scarlet Witch takes a wound from Ms. Marvel's BD.


Scarlet Witch with 3/4 wounds. (1 life)

Very close finish that was anyone's game.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Uncanny Avenger allows a nice insurance if a figure is taken out with an unrevealed OM, as Scarlet can place them back for their turn if desired. Can also get someone back on the board who never got to use a once per game power, a stat booster, someone who likes a lot of wounds on their card, or just to use them for the bonus turn. She feels very different from the previous 2 Scarlets in that she now is more beneficial to save for cleanup, staying back from the fight a bit until the time is right, or surrounded by those who can keep her safe and around for a bit.

3 wins and 1 loss, all close to very close games that felt competitive and like either side could win. 330 is feeling good to me, and I think we could drop Strange down by 10 to 320 to keep them separate, as he went 3-6 in his tests(as well as another loss here, at 320), and I feel he could use a hair more help making him more draftable.

[Tornado]

Nice work.

[IAmBatman]

Looks good.

[Arkham]

I'll prob. put her back into testing asking for 1-2 tests once Beast moves out.

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by JoshuaQuinn

Army Test
Map: Alkali Lake
Units: Capt America (Avg) Winter Soldier (Duo) Iron Man (Avg) Bane vs X-Men: Prof X Night Crawler Cyclops Wolverine Colussus Rogue
This match up found Scarlet Witch in torn allegiance fighting against her fellow mutants and friends the X-men.
In Round 1 Captain America and Winter Soldier snuck up on Prof X and Night Crawler and delivered some devastating damage to the pair. Prof X and Night Crawler retreated to safety.

In Round 2 Cap and Winter Soldier then came face to face with Wolverine, but wolverine was no match for the pair and quickly found himself out of the Battle.
About this time Rogue was swooping in to attack but before she could deliver any damage Scarlet Witch had the high ground and buffed by Captain America and Bane she was able to deliver a devastating volley of blows and took rogue out in just one attack.

Round 3 found the X men feeling nervous about their heavy losses but always tenacious they continued to push the fight to the avengers. Colossus tried taking a swing at Scarlet Witch, but again her power as a nexus champion proved to much and he was destroyed with a simple wave of her hand.


Round 4 found Prof X face to face with his Nemisis daughter and she succeeded where her dad had failed so many times and removed Prof X from the game with not so much as a second thought.

Cyclops who no doubt feel incredible grief over the loss of his team and mentor quickly fell to Captain America.

Round 5 was made up of Night Crawler doing his best to avenge his fallen teammates. He focused his attacks on Bane and almost managed to remove one of Scarlet Witch’s biggest assets but she would have nothing of it and took him out of the game ending the pathetic struggle of the X-men.

Life Remaining
Scarlet Witch (2 life) Captain America (4 life) Winter Soldier (4 life) Bane (1 Life) Iron Man (Full Health)
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Army Test
Map: Alkali Lake
Units: Capt America (Avg) Winter Soldier (Duo) Iron Man (Avg) Bane vs The Teen Titans: Nightwing, Changeling, Raven, Starfire, Kid Flash and Captain Marvel (DC)

In this match up the multiverses seemed to collodie as the Teen Titans found themselves face to face with the Nexus being Scarlet Witch. Determined to stop her and her reign across the Multiverse they were motivated.

Round 1 started off slow with everyone getting into position but Ironman drew first blood by attacking Changeling from a distance. However, this didn’t help the Earth’s Mightiest Heroes as the attack only enraged Starfire.

Round 2 found Starfire pummeling Bane with multiple attacks to avenge the damage done to Changeling. Knowing the importance of Bane to the Scarlet Witch Captain Marvel moved in and finished Bane quickly. Changeling confronted Ironman and his Gorilla form proved to much for Ironman who sustained heavy wounds. Raven used her ability to finish off Ironman and take him out of the game. Not wanting herself to be pummeled by Starfire Scarlet Witch wove her magic and took Starfire out of the game.

Round 3 Nightwing decided to engage the Capt America and Winter soldier duo and was able to deal some wounds to keep them busy. While Captain Marvel and Raven kept Scarlet Witch busy. Kid Flash followed up Nightwings earlier attack with an attack on the disoriented Winter Soldier. Scarlet Witch brought back her support in the form of Bane but unfortunately it wasn’t enough.

Round 4 Raven removed Winter Soldier from the board, while Captain Marvel finally neutralized the destructive path of the Scarlet Witch. He then turned his attention to the first Avenger and the team quickly finished Captain America.

Nightwing (1 life) Raven (4 life) Changeling (7 life) Captain Marvel (4 life) Kid Flash (2 life)

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
I think she is about balanced. She does great when paired with people who buff her abilities. But solo I don’t think she would be very impressive.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:

She is pretty awesome. Very fun to play. The chaos bolts were a really neat mechanic. She really shines when she is buffed but solo she lacks much power. So that is good. I think the only thing I could think to suggest would be limiting her attack dice buff to 5 or at most 6. With a height advantage, Captain America and Bane all Buffing her I had her rolling 6 attack. She rolled 3 and 2 blanks several times giving her an overwhelming attack of 9 both times. One time I almost got 3 and 3 blanks. 15 attack!!! That is kind of crazy. That is why I think a max of 5 attack would be good. That would put her max attack at 9 which is powerful but not game breaking. The resurrection was good and could be very useful.

A strong counter to her is Captain Marvel (DC). With her only being able to deal 1 damage a turn to him, I used him to engage her and keep her busy while using Raven to do max damage to her. I think characters with the 1 shield blocks all damage could maybe hold up well too. But you would need to be very strategic moving against her.

The points in the first matchup were way off it seems, but other than that no red flags.

[MrNobody]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Scarlet Witch

Army Test 1
Map: Castle Dracula (Custom Map)
Units: Team 1 (1,010): Scarlet Witch (330), Captain America (240), Thor (440)
Team 2 (1,010): Leader (270), Red Hulk (370), A-Bomb (370)

Pre-game thoughts: Not a huge amount of allies for Wanda to bring back here, but bringing back Thor has a chance to really benefit the Avengers.

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T2 wins initiative
-Rulk inflicts a wound on Wanda
-Thor inflicts 2 wounds on Rulk
-Cap inflicts a wound on Rulk
-Rulk inflicts a Heat wound on Thor

Round 2: T1 wins initiative
-Cap inflicts a wound on Rulk
-Wanda inflicts a wound on Rulk
-A-Bomb inflicts 1 wound each on Cap and Thor
-Thor inflicts 2 wounds on Rulk
-Rulk inflicts 2 wounds on Thor
-Rulk inflicts a Heat wound on Cap

Round 3: T1 wins initiative
-Leader explodes the Gamma Bomb, inflicting 2 wounds each on Wanda and Cap, and destroying Rulk
-Thor is forced to take out a controlled Cap with an LEA to keep him away from Wanda
-Thor takes an LEA from A-Bomb
-Thor inflicts a wound on Leader with a Thunderstorm
-Leader takes an LEA from Thor
-Thor inflicts 2 wounds on Leader
-Thor inflicts 2 wounds on Leader with a Thunderstorm
-Leader takes out Wanda

Round 4: T1 wins initiative
-Thor inflicts 2 wounds on A-Bomb
-Thor inflicts a wound on A-Bomb
-Thor takes out Leader with a Thunderstorm

Round 5: T1 wins initiative
-Thor takes out A-Bomb

Special power usages:
Normal attack: 1 wounds inflicted (1 on Red Hulk)
Uncanny Avenger: Not used

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Thor (5/8 wounds)

Post-game thoughts: Wanda didn’t do a huge amount here, but the enemy prioritizing her definitely helped Cap and Thor stay in the game just that little bit longer. Getting caught in a Gamma-splosion was just nasty for her, is all.

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Army Test 2
Map: Castle Dracula (Custom Map)
Units: Team 1 (1,000): Scarlet Witch (330), Iron Man (270), Wiccan (200), Hulkling (200)
Team 2 (1,000): Songbird (180), Ms. Marvel (190), Absorbing Man (260), Spider-Man (250), Firestar (120)

Pre-game thoughts: Pretty cool that this army works out. Definitely keeping Wanda in the very back this game, to maximize her revival capabilities.

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T1 wins initiative
-Hulkling inflicts a wound on Creel
-Tony inflicts a wound on Songbird
-Kamala inflicts a wound on Hulkling

Round 2: T1 wins initiative
-Creel inflicts 3 wounds on Hulkling
-Hulkling inflicts a wound on Creel
-Wiccan moves a wound from Hulkling to Creel
-Creel takes out Hulkling

Round 3: T2 wins initiative
-Tony inflicts 2 wounds on Kamala
-Songbird inflicts a wound on Tony
-Creel takes out Tony
-T1 had OM2 on Tony so they lose a turn
-Creel inflicts a wound on Wiccan
-Wiccan moves a wound from himself to Creel

Round 4: T2 wins initiative
-Songbird inflicts a wound on Wiccan
-Spidey inflicts a wound on Wiccan
-Songbird inflicts a wound on Wiccan

Round 5: T1 wins initiative
-Wiccan inflicts 2 wounds on Songbird
-Songbird takes out Wiccan
-Wanda brings back Tony
-Tony inflicts a wound on Spidey
-Songbird inflicts a wound on Wanda
-Wanda brings back Wiccan
-Wiccan moves a wound from Wanda to Creel
-Wanda takes out Songbird

Round 6: T2 wins initiative
-Creel inflicts a wound on Wanda
-Spidey inflicts a wound on Wanda
-Wanda brings back Hulkling
-Wanda takes out Creel
-Spidey inflicts a wound on Wanda
-Wanda inflicts a wound on Spidey

Round 7: T2 wins initiative
-Ms. Marvel Embiggens
-Spidey takes out Wanda

Special power usages:
Normal attack: 4 wounds inflicted (2 on Songbird, 1 on Absorbing Man, 1 on Spider-Man)
Uncanny Avenger: Iron Man revived R5T2 (inflicted 1 wound on Spider-Man), Wiccan revived R5T3 (Moves 1 wound from Scarlet Witch to Absorbing Man), Hulkling revived R6T2 (inflicted 1 wound on Spider-Man)

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Spider-Man (3/5 wounds), Ms. Marvel (2/4 wounds), Firestar (0/4 wounds)
Post-game thoughts: A semi-close loss, but Wanda felt like she pulled her weight here.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: With a close win and a close loss, I feel like she’s on point at 330. Her usefulness will definitely depend on if you can manage to keep her safe until endgame or not. In the first game, Super Leapers were able to kill her early, while in the second game I essentially hid her as far back as I could until the last moment. She obviously still loves attack boosters though. Having some sort of Superman JLII-style unit that provides a boost upon death could really take her to the next level.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I like how this new version feels like a real last-minute punch-hitter - that’s a very Wanda role to fill. Fun gameplay overall!

Pre-Yea to move on.

[Arkham]

Great, thanks!

I propose a vote to update Scarlet with the tested changes.
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[tcglkn]

Yea