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[Hellfire]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Well the point in option 1 would be that it's now destructible. The power text would be there as a reminder, basically, but I see no reason to give a DO two powers with all the other complexity going on in the game.

For the second option, it doesn't necessarily have to be similar to what the jungle tree currently does at all. I just think that if we're going to go with a different power, it should be instead of its current power, not in addition to it.

What I'm not OK with is the Jungle terrain DOs having one special power hidden in Valhalla rule books and a second special power on their cards. Too much for DOs, IMO. I'd vote nay to that treatment.

I've always looked at terrain effects as a separate entity from that of DO powers but perhaps that's cuz I never played Valhalla scape.

I also don't have an aversion to DOs w/ two powers that maintain a level of simplicity on par w/ the Ice Mountain, however, I'm not for adding unneeded intricacy and not saying that it needs two powers ... personally, I'd just like to see a more interesting design than a jungle tree that does what jungle trees already do but if that is what the public wants, I'll support it as I always do.

[Karat]

I'd be very sad to see the Jungle Terrain rules trounced

[Hellfire]

Originally Posted by Karat

I'd be very sad to see the Jungle Terrain rules trounced

Me too, although I suppose we don't have to use the DO version of the terrain.

[IAmBatman]

I think the problem with this would be that it would be the only DO that also had a terrain effect. We're not going to turn molten lava or water tiles into DOs, for instance.
I'm really fine with keeping it with the current jungle rules or with going completely different. I just don't like trying to do both at the same time. It feels muddled.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Hellfire

Me too, although I suppose we don't have to use the DO version of the terrain.

It wouldn't be that the rules would never be in play - they just wouldn't be in play when you were using Jungle Trees as DOs.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It wouldn't be that the rules would never be in play - they just wouldn't be in play when you were using Jungle Trees as DOs.

The way you said it, made it seem as though they would be completely negated. Either way though, if we negate the Jungle Terrain rules while they're in play, I wonder how many people would truly use it..

[Viegon]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It wouldn't be that the rules would never be in play - they just wouldn't be in play when you were using Jungle Trees as DOs.

Yep, it would just be an alternative way of using the Jungle Pieces; similar to how we have multiple Supermans you can play.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Karat

The way you said it, made it seem as though they would be completely negated. Either way though, if we negate the Jungle Terrain rules while they're in play, I wonder how many people would truly use it..

Good reason not to vote for the Jungle Tree DOs to be LDed, I suppose.

Or to be in favor of the jungle terrain rules being the special power on the Jungle Tree DO and leave it at that.

[Tornado]

How about a new power for the tree but keep the original power for the jungle bush? Then have a card for each.

[IAmBatman]

I would definitely support that route.

[MegaSilver]

People People!

You're missing the point.

As I've said BEFORE, I'm fine with keeping the power set exactly the same, just relisting it's power on the card and that's it, however;

I own TJ, and during some of my games I felt like destroying that dang tree or bush so my enemy would stop using it to bottle up his troops, especially if they have height on me.

I was trying a balancing act of making the Jungle worthy to be destroyed (wounding those underneath) while not making it able to just keel over with one hit (aka 3 life), but apparently that wasn't the best route.

Now, a standard map could have between 6-12 Jungle Pieces, some which will be in a favorable place for enemy range to bottle up. Given the chance, I'd like to take that Jungle Tree out and potentially wound the enemy while I'm at it.

So, let's keep the powers it has the same, give it the potential to wound those around it (roll a die; skull = wound) make them have 1 Life, and moderate defense. And, let's have the Tree and Bush under one card, just like how it's in the rule book. Much easier to work with!

[Tornado]

Sorry MS my love for Battletech longs for a tree that can be used as a club. That and Fire.

Your proposal sounds logical to me.