The Book of Carrion

[tcglkn]

Yea

[Lord Pyre]

Yea

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Base stats are 40 points.

Levitation is discount flying, so I put it at a 2 instead of a 3, but let's say we bump that to 3 because he gets height advantage more easily in the right match ups. That adds 15 points to my estimate.

I gave Density Control a 4 and Degenerative Touch (which is hard to pull off with an attack of 3) a 3.

So that'd be 150 points. Still way below what you have.

yea

[Karat]

I actually wouldn't mind and if he comes in at 145 which would pair him and Jackal at 400 points.

Also, he held his own in 1v1s at 175 just isn't as good in an army setting, especially one without good OM efficiency.

This passes! I'll get him posted.

[japes]

Oh cool I missed the switch away from dust of death. Very happy to see that change.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by japes

Oh cool I missed the switch away from dust of death. Very happy to see that change.

Yea, I wasn't super keen on it to begin with and Ronin made a compelling argument for leaving the Dust off here.

[japes]

The chance of a sub 200 figure getting to auto destroy Thor made me stop caring here. Now I'm back in board. Despite hating auto destroy on non event heroes, I find it annoying to play with or against. Costing has to account for that possibility so if he doesn't pull it off those figures are not worth it and if they do it's almost not fair to the opponent.

[Karat]

Yea, my stance as well which is why in workshopping I tried to do a riff on it, but they weren't buying it so it was my placeholder.

[MrNobody]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: If you’re lost and alone, or you’re sinking like a stone...

Army Test 1
Map: Island Plane Crash (Glyph of Wannok)
Units: Team 1 (1,000): Carrion (175), Scarlet Spider (Kaine) (245), Baron Von Strucker (210), Scientist Supreme (160), AIM Agents x 3 (210)
Team 2 (1,000): Doc Ock II (250), Sandman (210), Kraven (200), Electro (135), Mysterio (115), Vulture (90)

Pre-game thoughts: Just a basic AIM/Clone build. Scientist Supreme is Kraven’s Prey

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T2 wins initiative
-Electro unleashes his SA on the enemy SZ, inflicting a wound on Strucker
-Kaine engages Electro, but takes a wound from Electric Skin
-Kaine inflicts 3 wounds on Electro

Round 2: T2 wins initiative
-Kraven takes out an Agent
-Monica develops the Experimental Medicine
-Electro zaps Kaine, inflicting a wound
-Mysterio makes an Agent’s life do a disappearing act
-The Agents finish off Electro
-Vulture inflicts a wound on Kaine
-Sandman takes out 2 Agents
-Kaine inflicts 4 wounds on Kraven

Round 3: T1 wins initiative
-Kaine takes down Kraven
-Vulture perches on the Glyph of Wannok
-Vulture slices at Kaine, inflicting 1 wound
-The Agents let loose their Virus, inflicting 2 wounds on Sandman
-Sandman takes out 2 Agents
-Mysterio defeats Kaine
-Sandman takes out 2 more Agents
-Doc Ock inflicts a wound on Carrion
-Vulture wounds himself with the Wannok

Round 4: T2 wins initiative
-Ock takes out the last Agent
-Carrion inflicts a wound on Doc Ock
-Mysterio inflicts 2 wounds on Carrion
-Sandman inflicts 3 wounds on Monica, causing her to lose the medicine
-Carrion inflicts a wound on Vulture
-Sandman kills Monica
-Ock kills Carrion
-T1 had OM3 on Monica so they lose that turn
-Vulture wounds himself AGAIN with the Wannok

Round 5: T1 wins initiative
-Strucker uses Satan’s Claw to put 2 wounds on Sandman
-Sandman inflicts a wound on Strucker
-Mysterio finishes off Strucker


Special power usages:
Normal attack: 2 wounds inflicted (1 on Doc Ock, 1 on Vulture)
Degenerative Touch: 0 wounds inflicted

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Doc Ock (1/4 wounds), Sandman (2/5 wounds), Mysterio (0/4 wounds), Vulture (3/4 wounds)

NOTE: I played Scarlet Spider as not being “invisible” unless the Stealth Marker is on his card. Not sure if that’s the intent or not, but it made the most sense thematically.

Post-game thoughts: It wasn’t intentional, but it was fun/interesting just to see how many of the S6’s gimmicks that Carrion disrupted. Plus, I feel like the S6 relies on height a lot too, which Carrion was also able to deny.

Unfortunately though, not a great showing. Some of that may just be down to the weakness of the AIM faction at the moment, but Carrion still felt really fragile at essentially 4L/4D.

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Army Test 2
Map: Island Plane Crash (Glyph of Wannok)
Units: Team 1 (1,000): Carrion (175), Captain America (240), Harley Quinn (130), Rocket Raccoon II (195), Jocasta (180), Shadowcat I (80)
Team 2 (1,000): Doc Ock II (250), Sandman (210), Kraven (200), Electro (135), Mysterio (115), Vulture (90)

Pre-game thoughts: I feel like this was a good matchup for Carrion, so trying it again. Cap is Carrion’s Prey.

Summary of the game:

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: T2 wins initiative
-Electro uses his Bolts to inflict a wound on Jocasta
-Jocasta inflicts 3 wounds on Electro
-Rocket finishes off Electro
-Rocket inflicts 2 wounds on Kraven

Round 2: T1 wins initiative
-Kraven inflicts 2 wounds on Rocket
-Sandman kills Rocket
-Harley takes an LEA from Sandman
-Harley tosses her Bomb, putting a wound on Kraven, a wound on Mysterio, and removing OM3 from Doc Ock

Round 3: T1 wins initiative
-Cap inflicts 2 wounds on Sandman
-Sandman blows through Harley, inflicting a wound
-Sandman inflicts a wound on Carrion
-Jocasta inflicts a wound on Sandman
-Kraven ties up Harley and destroys her
-Vulture inflicts a wound on Jocasta
-Carrion inflicts a wound on Sandman, then another with his Touch
-Kraven takes a LEA from Carrion
-Mysterio tries to inflict a wound on Cap, but Jocasta steps in and takes it herself, inflicting a wound on Mysterio
-Doc Ock kills Carrion

Round 4: T2 wins initiative
-Kraven tries to inflicts 2 wounds on Cap, but Jocasta blocks it, killing herself and Kraven
-Cap takes out Sandman
-Vulture drags Cap to low ground and perches on the Wannok
-Doc Ock inflicts 2 wounds on Cap
-Vulture puts a wound on Kitty with the Wannok

Round 5: T1 wins initiative
-Cap rolls ALL SKULLS BABY and takes out Doc Ock in one hit
-T2 loses all their turns this round
-Cap inflicts 3 wounds on Vulture
-Vulture inflicts a wound on Kitty with the Wannok

Round 6: T2 wins initiative
-Cap takes out Vulture
-Mysterio takes out Cap
Round 7: T2 wins initiative
-Mysterio finishes off Kitty


Special power usages:
Normal attack: 1 wounds inflicted (1 on Sandman)
Degenerative Touch: 1 wounds inflicted (1 on Sandman)

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mysterio (2/4 wounds)

Post-game thoughts: That shouldn’t have been as close as it was. Cap taking out Ock in a single hit was huge, and I’m not sure it was the smartest play to have Kraven kamikaze trying to hurt Cap. Don’t feel like Carrion had much impact here, his biggest use was probably Harley bonding.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He feels pretty weak for 175. His offensive output is pretty okay, but he’s really weak defensively, especially since he has to move into melee range to even do anything. 4 Life/Essentially 4 Defense is just fairly fragile.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: The core mechanics are fun, but I don’t feel like he’s holding up to his point value in most situations.

Here you go!

[Karat]

Thanks! I see one of 2 directions. Either give him a defense/attack boost or drop his points or both thoughts?

I actually had the same thoughts on fragility. So I'm leaning slightly towards an Attack/Defense boost.

[MrNobody]

Yeah I'm personally leaning that way as well. I think he'll feel better as a sturdier unit that can get his licks in before falling than as a fragile one that leans towards tacky life prolonging stuff.

[Karat]

I was thinking just a bump to 4/4 same base stats as Jackal. The only real difference is he has height more often.