The Book of Superman (Justice League)

[Hahma]

Maybe the next version can be old school. No flying, but just able to have a super leap ability to leap over a building in a single bound. Give him some superspeed type power to be faster than a speeding bullet.

[laughing matter]

I've thought about a version like that, plus there's a Heroclix figure of a Golden Age Action Comics Superman.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

That's definitely what's informing the choice for me more than anything. But it's not the first power we have where OM1 you do something and then have to remember it for the rest of the round.

For those who like Avengers/Justice League parallels, it's a lot like Cap going on Order Marker one and then inspiring his Avengers for the remainder of the round. The only difference is in the bonuses.

Superman inspires heroism, but he's not typically subtle. Feels thematic to me. Add him to an army with JL Martian Manhunter and he gets a lot more tactical. Gives them another reason to be played together, which I like.

It'll take careful planning and strategy to use well against most armies and some armies, like the one with Magneto, will counter it effectively. I'm OK with this and at least trying it in playtesting. I think that with careful moving it'll be pretty useful against most armies, but almost any strategy has counters (and should).

Could refine the verbiage a bit, but this basically just changes it so that it no longer lasts the whole round but instead you get one auto shield? If it's really what folks want, I'm willing to try it, but based on theoryscape only, I still worry about this part:

"I get that with only 3 markers you want something significant, and you also need something pretty good in order to give up the static bonus which is pretty sweet on it's own"

This is the closest to hitting the mark for me so far, though. Although I do kind of like the round long memory thing, just because of the thematic parallels between Captain America inspiring the Avengers and Superman inspiring the Justice League. And other than skipping the round thing, this doesn't really eliminate much complexity.

Absolutely agree with pretty much everything you say here, Bats - I see where the other people are coming from, but I think, based on this reasoning, whole round is best.

Originally Posted by Viegon

That's better, and if the majority supports it I'm fine with going this direction.

I think what isn't working for me is the effect lasting for the round. It feels kind of forced in there to compensate for the low number of markers and adds a memory mechanic, which I'm not fond of. But it seems that as long as we stick with the three markers we're stuck with an effect like that, so I guess I'll live with it.

I suggested switching mechanic based on Malekith's precedent and in an attempt to get rid of concerns (raised by Dok, I believe) about corner cases - I also feel it thematically reflects the idea that they're shoving their teammate out of the way in order to take the bullet. It doesn't need to stay in, but I think it serves its purpose and, considering the other two abilities are pretty short and sweet, I don't think you need to be too concerned about space just yet.

Originally Posted by Hahma

Maybe the next version can be old school. No flying, but just able to have a super leap ability to leap over a building in a single bound. Give him some superspeed type power to be faster than a speeding bullet.

Oh, no, please not a fourth Superman. Why stop there, let's have an Adam West Batman while we're at it.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Spidey'tilIDie

You've obviously given this quite a bit of thought and that is all I was wondering about. I think your reasoning is sound.

Thanks! I try to be thoughtful.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by laughing matter

I've thought about a version like that, plus there's a Heroclix figure of a Golden Age Action Comics Superman.

Likewise. I think it'd be a good fit for an Earth (2 is it?) version that works with the JSA.

[laughing matter]

The pre New 52 Earth 2 Had Superman at his insane, new power a week, destroy planets with a sneeze levels.

[IAmBatman]

OK, time for another poll!

Open to all Sidekicks and Public Members, but just so the Heroes see it: @TrollBrute @Viegon @johnny139 @Karat @SirGalahad

Option A

SYMBOL OF HOPE
When Superman or any figure you control adjacent to Superman rolls defense against a normal attack, for each Justice League marker on this card you may count one blank rolled as an extra shield. After a figure you control is targeted for an attack, you may remove 1 Justice League marker from this card. If you do, choose Superman or any other figure you control within clear sight of Superman. The chosen figure may move up to 3 spaces if it is able to move adjacent to the targeted figure. If the chosen figure moves adjacent to the targeted figure, switch their figures. The attacking figure must target and attack the chosen figure, if possible, and the chosen figure adds one automatic shield to its defense. Figures moved with this special power will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

Or

Option B

SYMBOL OF HOPE
When Superman or any figure you control adjacent to Superman rolls defense against a normal attack, for each Justice League marker on this card you may count one blank rolled as an extra shield. After moving Superman, you may remove 1 Justice League marker from this card. If you do, for the remainder of the round, if Superman or another figure you control is targeted for an attack, you may choose Superman or any figure you control within clear sight of Superman other than the defending figure to move up to 3 spaces if it is able to move adjacent to the defending figure. If the chosen figure moves adjacent to the defending figure, switch their figures and the attacking figure must then target and attack the chosen figure, if possible. Figures moved with this special power will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

Or

Option C

Something else - please specify

[johnny139]

I'd go with A, but it's not a strong opinion.

Not to muddy the waters, but two questions: firstly, do we have room to split the first chunk (blanks as shields) into its own power? Or possibly move it to the Trinity power? It feels out of place here.

Secondly, why limit to 3 move? Are there power level concerns about allowing full breadth of movement?

[Viegon]

A for me too, though I'm also curious about johnny's questions.

[japes]

I know some think the full round is more worth the marker burn but with the possibility of burning it with OM1 and not even getting to use it I like A better of the two and think it will actually be more worthy as there is less risk of a wasted marker.

EDIT: Got double ninja'd here but if you go with A I think there is less need to keep it to 3 spaces as well. The full round version probably needed it but this one not so much.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I'd go with A, but it's not a strong opinion.

Not to muddy the waters, but two questions: firstly, do we have room to split the first chunk (blanks as shields) into its own power? Or possibly move it to the Trinity power? It feels out of place here.

Secondly, why limit to 3 move? Are there power level concerns about allowing full breadth of movement?

to everything Johnny said.

In case it wasn't clear A, but I think we should split it up..it's a bit confusing as is.

[TrollBrute]

A as well, though there's a lot of mentions of "targeted figure", "chosen figure", and "attacking figure". It gets a little hard to follow on the first read-through.