The Book of Werewolf (Jacob Russoff)

[Viegon]

Maybe drop the Creature synergy? Removing all direct synergy would help enforce the wanderer/loner theme, and it'd also help differentiate him from the generic Werewolf.

[Karat]

I dunno, they already seem a lot different to me. The werewolf design will be cheaper, can be taken in multiples, provides a species change counter, and has Stealth Pounce.

Creature just seems the best fit for him thematically. I'd be OK with Beast, but nothing else seems appropriate for him IMO.

[johnny139]

Hulk is also a Creature, so if anything that's a point in his favor. I think "wandering loner" probably refers more to his human form than his wolf one.

[Viegon]

Fair enough, I'm fine with keeping Creature if we think it's thematic.

[Karat]

I view the whole Creatures Synergy as a loose hodgepodge of loners anyways

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Yeah, honestly, what I remember reading was very similar to the Hulk series. Jack loved a woman, but was worried his alter ego would hurt her. When it wasn't a full moon he could control the monster somewhat, but the fuller the moon, the more the beast came out. He wandered the world trying to avoid her and she (and possibly a man) chased after him because she didn't know why he was running away. The full moon thing was probably a big difference between him and Hulk, though I remember Hulk at one time having his strength tied to the phase of the moon. Also, Mr. Fixit was a Hulk by Night style character.

[Karat]

SP updated with changes. Any other thoughts, or are we good to move forward with an initial?

[Viegon]

I'm still a little concerned that Feral Hunting isn't perfectly clear when it comes to the additional attacks part. It doesn't state when you check for the additional attacks (is it at the start of the turn? Can you check in between attacks?), and it seems potentially messy to say "must attack X additional times" when it doesn't technically state that his first attack is forced too.

Maybe its not a problem, it just has me uneasy.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Viegon

I'm still a little concerned that Feral Hunting isn't perfectly clear when it comes to the additional attacks part. It doesn't state when you check for the additional attacks (is it at the start of the turn? Can you check in between attacks?), and it seems potentially messy to say "must attack X additional times" when it doesn't technically state that his first attack is forced too.

Maybe its not a problem, it just has me uneasy.

Any suggestion on how to clarify it?

[Viegon]

Something like this should do the trick without changing too much of the mechanics:

FERAL HUNTING
Before taking a turn with Werewolf By Night, you may choose any figure on the battlefield that is not an Android or Destructible Object. Add 1 to Werewolf By Night's Move number for each Wound Marker on the chosen figure's card, to a maximum of +2. If Werewolf By Night ends this movement adjacent to the chosen figure, he must, if possible, attack that figure 1 time for each Wound Marker that was on its card at the start of this turn. Werewolf By Night cannot attack more than 3 times in a single turn.

But that does get awfully wordy.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Viegon

Something like this should do the trick without changing too much of the mechanics:

But that does get awfully wordy.

Oh, wait, the extra attacks were based off of the opponent's figure to begin with, so I don't think there is an issue after all.

[Viegon]

Originally Posted by Karat

Oh, wait, the extra attacks were based off of the opponent's figure to begin with, so I don't think there is an issue after all.

Huh? The problem (if it is a problem, it could just be me) was that:

1) It doesn't clearly state when you check the number of wounds the opponent's figure has. If he targets a figure with no wounds at the start of the turn, but he inflicts 1 wound with his first attack, does he get a second attack or not? If you check at the start of the turn, then no, he gets only the first attack; but if you can check at any point in the turn, then yes, he would get the second attack.
2) It only says that the additional attacks are forced, it doesn't say anything about his first attack. Does this mean he can choose to not use his first attack, but then be forced to attack 1/2 additional times? Or is he also forced to make the first attack?