The Book of Star-Lord

[Heroscaper Guy]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I really like this guy! May I make a couple of queries?
First, what about figures who have a dual class or species, or who have a class or species added by another figure? For example, what if you took Solovar with a Telepath, or Cyborg Superman with a Kryptonian? What happens with Ragtag Tactics then?
Second, does RTT only take into account figures on the battlefield? So if, for example, you took two figures of one class or species and one dies, would RTT kick in then? Or, possibly more importantly, could you perhaps take Hulk and Bruce Banner civilian and retain RTT?

For your second question, read the FAQ .

[Hellfire]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I really like this guy! May I make a couple of queries?
First, what about figures who have a dual class or species, or who have a class or species added by another figure? For example, what if you took Solovar with a Telepath, or Cyborg Superman with a Kryptonian? What happens with Ragtag Tactics then?

I could be wrong as I cannot think of a specific precedent but without re-reading the specific verbiage on those cards, I'd assume that if a figure has 2 classes then Star-Lord's ragtag tactics would have to account for that. While I suppose one could read it as a Hero only needs to have "a" single different class and species from other heroes, I believe his power works with "every Unique Hero" having "a" class and "a" species that is different from that of all the other classes and species of every Unique Hero; so if a figure has multiple classes/species they have to be accounted for.

In short, while a dual-class/species figure may have "a" singular class/species that is different from every other Unique Hero the reciprocating single-class/species figure will not necessarily have "a" class/species that is different from both classes/species of the dual-class/species figure.

My .02.

[johnny139]

Not 100% sure but that sounds right - if you have Solovar he's in your army, and he's a Telepath, so Jean Grey's class of Telepath would no longer be unique.

[Dysole]

Starlord+Martian Manhunter or Starlord+Baron Zemo (Heinrich) get me thinking of possibilities. One 1500 build I came up with the other night was Starlord, MM, Bizarro, Rocket, Vertigo, Deadshot, Red Skull. X23 can also swap out for Skull. So many fun things keeping people bouncing around and moving and the like. It's kind of crazy. Starlord is likely to make an appearance in future armies of mine since I usually end up playing a Ragtag group of people. Good work.

~Dysole, wondering if the 5 space aura might be a bit too powerful

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Heroscaper Guy

For your second question, read the FAQ .

Sorry! Posted quickly.

Looking at RTT, I think I've worked out how it works with regard to my first question - say if I'm talking out of my arse or not.
The use of 'a different' would indicate to me that each figure needs one unique class and one unique species, but not that each figure needs all their classes and species to be unique. So, for example, you could take Cyborg Superman and Superboy together and keep the Ragtag Tactics bonus, as they both have a unique species (Cyborg and Metahuman respectively) - assuming of course you have no other Cyborgs or Metahumans. If you take Jean Grey with Solovar, however, her one class is no longer unique, and you therefore do not get the bonus. Doess this sound about right?

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Not 100% sure but that sounds right - if you have Solovar he's in your army, and he's a Telepath, so Jean Grey's class of Telepath would no longer be unique.

That's my take as well. If you have any repeat classes, the bonus is nullified.

[dok]

My interpretation would also be that folks like Solovar and Cyborg Supes nullify Ragtag Tactics if anyone shares either of their species/classes.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

That's my take as well. If you have any repeat classes, the bonus is nullified.

You don't get to pick and choose which class a dual-class figure has. They are considered to have both classes. Cyborg Superman paired with another Cyborg or Kryptonian would negate the bonus.

[Lazy Orang]

I'm just thinking though, the power doesn't say that every class and species in your army has to be different, just that every unique hero must have a (one) different class and a different species - so I can see how Solovar wouldn't work with Jean or how Cyborg Superman wouldn't work with Zodd, but I'd say that Cyborg Superman would work with Superboy or Eradicator fine, as they each have a different species.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I'm just thinking though, the power doesn't say that every class and species in your army has to be different, just that every unique hero must have a (one) different class and a different species - so I can see how Solovar wouldn't work with Jean or how Cyborg Superman wouldn't work with Zodd, but I'd say that Cyborg Superman would work with Superboy or Eradicator fine, as they each have a different species.

But at the same time, they also have the same species, which would negate the boost, by my reckoning.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

But at the same time, they also have the same species, which would negate the boost, by my reckoning.

But if you look at the actual wording of the power, that doesn't make sense - it doesn't say that it is negated if any figures have the same species, rather that it comes into effect if each hero has a (one) different species - and they would each have a different species. The way it reads, each Unique Hero just needs one Class that's not on any other Unique Hero and one species that's not on any other Unique Hero.

[Dysole]

How I read it.

While every hero in your army has a different Species and different Class.

While-If X is untrue, Y does not take effect.

Every-If at least one X is untrue, Y does not take effect.

Different-If at least one X=at least one other X, Y does not take effect.

This seems to hold that it would be the case that Cyborg Superman et al. can mess with Ragtag Tactics. A simpler and clearer solution might be to replace the word different with unique.

~Dysole, chiming in