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[caps]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

They look fun to play. However, they don't seem like Heroscape figures to me. I don't know why, but for some reason they seem like they're for a different game. A little too, I don't know, maybe fantasy-video-gamey?

Also, I don't like them being called "Champions." They don't seem like Champions, more like Elites or something of that nature.

I don't think Counter Sniper needs "always."

I have no idea about the point costs.

What makes them feel video-gamey? Is it the elf/dwarf/human combo or something in their abilities? Do you have a suggestion for a new name for Counter Sniper I don't really think it fits.

Elites is a great idea! I'll try it. Champions didn't seem quite right to me either, although I think it works.

[Son of Arathorn]

I agree in that they shouldn't be called champions. If their class is going to be fighter, then their name should reflect that. I'm not sure about an alternative.

As for the League Captain, he's overpowered. The easiest way to fix it would be to alter League Command to read, "After revealing an order marker on this League Captain and instead of taking a turn with this League Captain, you may take a turn with up to three fighter common heroes you control. " as opposed to the current version which allows you to take a turn with the Captain and 3 fighter heroes.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Son of Arathorn

I agree in that they shouldn't be called champions. If their class is going to be fighter, then their name should reflect that. I'm not sure about an alternative.

As for the League Captain, he's overpowered. The easiest way to fix it would be to alter League Command to read, "After revealing an order marker on this League Captain and instead of taking a turn with this League Captain, you may take a turn with up to three fighter common heroes you control. " as opposed to the current version which allows you to take a turn with the Captain and 3 fighter heroes.

I don't understand why League Command is overpowered. The idea is that the league pseudo-squad bonds with him. In theory, other bonding heroes for this squad could also be created with the League Command ability.

I replaced the League Captain. I guess I should update the OP. Please see these posts.

If I made it the way you're suggesting, then the only benefit of putting a marker on Fingulf (the new captain), would be the flexibility of taking a turn with him OR with them, since the three of them can already take a turn together as a pseudo-squad via League of Heroes.

[Son of Arathorn]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

I don't understand why League Command is overpowered. The idea is that the league pseudo-squad bonds with him. In theory, other bonding heroes for this squad could also be created with the League Command ability.

I replaced the League Captain. I guess I should update the OP. Please see these posts.

If I made it the way you're suggesting, then the only benefit of putting a marker on Fingulf (the new captain), would be the flexibility of taking a turn with him OR with them, since the three of them can already take a turn together as a pseudo-squad via League of Heroes.

Ah, I see. Makes some sense. Still, he may be slightly overpowered (if I'm interpreting this right) in that he can take a turn, destroy a figure, then bond, then take a turn, destroy a figure, bond, so on and so forth. Point bump at 20 points, maximum. Though I haven't playtested him and the champions, so I could certainly be overestimating their abilities.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Son of Arathorn

Ah, I see. Makes some sense. Still, he may be slightly overpowered (if I'm interpreting this right) in that he can take a turn, destroy a figure, then bond, then take a turn, destroy a figure, bond, so on and so forth. Point bump at 20 points, maximum. Though I haven't playtested him and the champions, so I could certainly be overestimating their abilities.

I'm not sure I see where you're getting that from. Fingulf is a Unique Warlord hero. After revealing an order marker on him, you can take a turn with three common Fighter heroes.

The Fighter heroes, meanwhile, have the option after revealing on order marker of either lesser-bonding with a Unique Fighter hero, or their pseudo-sqaud bonding with each other.

So there should be three scenarios:

1. OM on Fingulf - take a turn with Fingulf, then 3 common Fighter heroes
total activations: Fingulf once + 3 common Fighter heroes, once each

2. OM on common Fighter Hero w/League bonding - take a turn w/OM-figure, then one unique Fighter hero (not Fingulf)
total activations: common Fighter hero once, Unique Fighter hero once

3. OM on common Fighter Hero w/League bonding - take a turn w/OM-figure, then two other common Fighter heroes
total activations: three common Fighter Heroes, once each

Did I miss something in the way I worded the powers?

[caps]

Second batch of playtests

Spoiler Alert!

League
110 Fingulf
320 6xHuman Elite (I miscounted by accident)
460 4xDwarf Elite
530 2xElf Elite

vs.

Mogrimm's Boys
120 Mogrimm Forgehammer
220 Ulfrid Hornwrangler
430 Axegrinders of Burning Forge
500 2xDwarf Elite

Winner: Mogrimm's Boys w/Mogrimm (one wound), 1xDwarf Elite, and 5 Axegrinders.

Map: Reset, map contest edition

The League fell to Mogrimm's Boys' greater number of attacks. Fingulf went down to Ulfrid's berserker-rage in the second round of the game--it was all downhill for the League from there.

Spoiler Alert!

League
110 Fingulf
355 7xDwarf Elite
495 4xHuman elite

vs.

Marcus and the 10th
100 MDG
180 Raelin (RotV)
260 2xDeathreavers
270 Isamu
495 3x10th Regiment of Foot

Winner: Marcus and the 10th, with 3 wounds on MDG, 4 wounds on Raelin, 4 deathreavers, and 9 Footmen

Map: Reset, map contest edition


The League really should have brought some elves to this show. They couldn't get at Raelin and they couldn't knock out the 10th with 5 defense.

League
110 Fingulf
320 6xDwarf Elite
410 3xHuman Elite
500 3xElf Elite

vs.

Marcus and the 10th

100 Marcus Decimus Gallus
200 2xRoman Legion
280 Raelin (RotV)
505 3x10th Regiment of Foot

Winner : Marcus and the 10th, with 5 wounds on MDG, 3 wounds on Raelin, 5 of the 10th remaining, and 4 Romans remaining.

Map: Reset, map contest edition

Marcus just would not die. He was in Raelin's aura and Fingulf could not get any decent rolls with Blade Expertise.

Fingulf

Spoiler Alert!

Einar

Tiefling
Unique Hero
Warlord
Disciplined
Medium 5

6 life
6 move
1 range
4 attack
3 defense

110 points

BLADE EXPERTISE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3. All figures roll one fewer defense die when defending against this attack. When Fingulf attacks with Blade Expertise Special Attack, he may attack one additional time.

DEFENSIVE EXPERTISE
When Fingulf rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent hero, the attacking hero rolls one fewer attack dice. Fingulf always adds one additional defense die when rolling defense dice against Squad figures.

LEAGUE COMMAND
After revealing an order marker on this card and taking a turn with Fingulf, you may take a turn with up to three common fighter heroes you control.

Human Elite

Spoiler Alert!

Einar

Human
Common Hero
Fighter
Disciplined
Medium 5

1 life
5 move
1 range
3 attack
2 defense

30 points

LEAGUE OF HEROES
After revealing an order marker on this card and taking a turn with a Human Elite, you may take a turn with one Unique Fighter or Ranger hero or up to two Common Fighter heroes you control.

FOLLOWING STRIKE
When a Human Elite you control attacks an adjacent figure, you may choose a figure that is also adjacent to that Human Elite. If the defending figure recieves any wounds from that Human Elite's attack, roll the twenty-sided die. If you roll a 10 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

HEROIC RESOLVE
When rolling defense dice against a normal or special attack, a Human Elite always adds 1 automatic shield to whatever is rolled.

Dwarf Elite

Spoiler Alert!

Aquilla

Dwarf
Common Hero
Fighter
Stoic

1 life
5 move
1 range
4 attack
4 defense

30 points

LEAGUE OF HEROES
After revealing an order marker on this card and taking a turn with a Dwarf Elite, you may take a turn with one Unique Fighter or Ranger hero you control or up to two Common Fighter heroes you control.

FEARLESS ADVANTAGE
A Dwarf Elite rolls an additional attack die when attacking or defending against large or huge figures.

CLIMB X2
When moving up or down levels of terrain, a Dwarf Elite may double his height.

Elf Elite

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Ullar

Elf
Common Hero
Fighter
Precise
Medium 4

1 life
5 move
7 range
2 attack
2 defense

30 points

LEAGUE OF HEROES
After revealing an order marker on this card and taking a turn with an Elf Elite, you may take a turn with one Unique Fighter or Ranger hero you control or up to two Common Fighter heroes you control.

EVASIVE 2
When an Elf Elite rolls defense dice against an attacking figure who is not adjacent, add 2 defense dice to the defense roll.

COUNTER SNIPER
When attacking a non-adjacent figure whose range value is greater than 4, an Elf Champion always adds 2 attack dice.

The change list is mostly things I've mentioned before. I'm bumping Fingulf's normal attack up to 4 so he has a little more kick. Also I'm dropping all of the elites points back to 30. There just aren't enough of them otherwise. Finally, I changed League of Heroes to allow a turn with a Unique Ranger hero--a little shout-out to Brandis Skyhunter, who needs all the help he can get. I may have to develop a cheerleader for these guys. The Human Elite in particular seems to lack any punch--I don't want him to become like the earth elemental or the white wyrmling.

[awesomeunleashed]

Looking great, caps. However, unless I'm sure I'm going to be facing a low-defense swarm army, why would I want any Humans over Dwarves?

[caps]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

Looking great, caps. However, unless I'm sure I'm going to be facing a low-defense swarm army, why would I want any Humans over Dwarves?

That is the question I keep asking myself. Any suggestions?

[awesomeunleashed]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

That is the question I keep asking myself. Any suggestions?

That'd be pretty easy. Either make him cheaper than the Dwarf (you-can-have-more incentive) or change Following Strike into some kind of SA that is useful against Rats & Goblins (which the other two are weak against). Maybe this?

*SOMETHING* (Whirlwind, maybe?) STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
A Human Elite may attack any or all figures adjacent to him when attacking with *Something* Strike Special Attack. Roll each attack separately.

That, combined with Heroic Resolve, would make him awesome against Rat & Goblin swarms in particular. Would also be decent against other swarms. Probably worth more than 30 though...

[caps]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

That'd be pretty easy. Either make him cheaper than the Dwarf (you-can-have-more incentive) or change Following Strike into some kind of SA that is useful against Rats & Goblins (which the other two are weak against). Maybe this?

*SOMETHING* (Whirlwind, maybe?) STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
A Human Elite may attack any or all figures adjacent to him when attacking with *Something* Strike Special Attack. Roll each attack separately.

That, combined with Heroic Resolve, would make him awesome against Rat & Goblin swarms in particular. Would also be decent against other swarms. Probably worth more than 30 though...

That's a very good idea. Maybe I'll roll Following Strike into a special attack.

EDIT: How does this look?

FOLLOWING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3. When attacking with Following Strike Special Attack, you may choose a figure that is also adjacent to the attacking Human Elite. If the defending figure receives any wounds from Following Strike Special attack, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 9 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

or maybe this (odds aren't as good, but its a little simpler)

FOLLOWING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3. When attacking with Following Strike Special Attack, you may choose a figure that is also adjacent to the attacking Human Elite. If the defending figure receives any wounds from Following Strike Special attack, roll an attack die. If a skull is rolled, the chosen figure receives one wound.

[awesomeunleashed]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

FOLLOWING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3. When attacking with Following Strike Special Attack, you may choose a figure that is also adjacent to the attacking Human Elite. If the defending figure receives any wounds from Following Strike Special attack, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 10 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

Fixed. That might work. Unfortunately, it's not as good as Following Strike when attacking non-Rat/Goblin/Counter Strike figures because you can't use height advantage. Still, it's probably worth a shot.

Edit: Second version works too.

[caps]

I implemented your changes.

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

Unfortunately, it's not as good as Following Strike when attacking non-Rat/Goblin/Counter Strike figures because you can't use height advantage. Still, it's probably worth a shot.

I dropped the d20 roll to 9, to make up for the height thing. Tandros gets it every time, so I think its okay if this guy gets it 60% of the time, especially since the attack roll is lower than Tandros' and can't be boosted by anything. As an upside, my SA does allow non-squad figures to be affected, as Tandros' Cleave really should have.