The Book of Spider-Man (Ultimate)

[IAmBatman]

I don't honestly know. This guy in general isn't an area of expertise for me. Just trying to fill the vacuum of feedback a little if I can.

In general I don't *love* four power cards, but I understand wanting something to give him more to do on his turn.

Is "Go the Distance" really that thematic for him?

[MrNobody]

I like Go The Distance to keep him from being 'different flavor Jocasta.'

Maybe something like this in place of Swing Line?

SPIDER-VERSE: WEB CONTROL
Instead of his normal move, Spider-Man may choose himself or a figure within 4 clear sight spaces and move them up to 2 spaces, during which it has the Flying special power and does not take leaving engagement attacks. After using Web Control, you may use it one additional time, but you may not choose the same figure, other than Spider-Man more than once per turn.

Web Control is a bad name and wording could probably be massaged, but I hope the idea comes across. Moving enemy figures around is hardly something new for a Spidey, but moving friendlies around easily could be useful.

Alternatively, maybe we could use Skin Of His Teeth instead of Go The Distance?

SKIN OF HIS TEETH
Once per round, if Spider-Man would be destroyed by receiving wounds, you may instead remove an unrevealed Order Marker from this card. If you do, you must place or remove Wound Markers until he has 1 Life remaining.

Very much a similar thing, but requiring an OM on him might encourage him to be more active at times?

I still don't mind Spider-Agility either, fwiw.

[IAmBatman]

Skin of his Teeth does feel very “young, in over his head” Spidey.

[tcglkn]

Spider-Agility only really works as a power if he has Swing Line, if you switch out Swing Line you'll need to drop Agility.

[LordVenoc]

Can the SP get updated with where you are at right now? Been a few suggestions here so hard to tell where you are right now. Generally like what it seems like the direction is as far as leaning him more active is. Especially dig the Skin of His Teeth direction, but might want to ping @Lord Pyre to ask if adding an Order Marker requirement here might hurt his Spider-Verse pull.

[Lord Pyre]

Sorry about the delay, haven't had a ton of brainpower lately.

If you want to have a passive Spidey, might as well let him be a passive Spidey. I do worry a bit about the stacking of Ultimate Sacrifice, Go the Distance, and Pavitr's life saving gadgets, but I'm sure that's not the worst thing we have in this game and they're also lacking in offensive power.

If you want to force OMs on his card to try to get him used, Skin of his Teeth seems cool. For Spider-Verse synergies, Otto doesn't like others having OMs, so you'd be pushing him into more of a Spider-UK build, which is probably totally fine, just something to note. Another option is to combine the OM ideas here into a big ol' spider-life-saving-slushie.

ULTIMATE SACRIFICE
If a friendly figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man would receive on or more wounds from an opponents normal attack, you may remove one unrevealed Order Marker from this card, and Spider-Man may use his Swing Line 4 special power. If he ends this movement adjacent to the defending figure, Spider-Man must receives those wounds instead of the defending figure.

Also nerfs it a tad in other generalist builds. Spider-Verse doesn't care about the "X" marker outside of Anti-Venom's healing, so you'd always have at least one OM on him to burn.

If you want an active combat power, I'd hit the same theme maybe to pair nicely with Sacrifice?

POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY
When a figure you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man receives one or more wounds from an enemy figure's attack, once during your next player turn, you may add 2 to his Attack number while attacking that figure.

That way you get the choice as a player, do the right thing and save your friend, or miss out and have to avenge Uncle Ben instead. Obviously there's not much room for anything else (I definitely would want to keep Swing Line), but it sounds like it might be fun to play.

[Alexandros]

Originally Posted by LordVenoc

Can the SP get updated with where you are at right now? Been a few suggestions here so hard to tell where you are right now. Generally like what it seems like the direction is as far as leaning him more active is. Especially dig the Skin of His Teeth direction, but might want to ping @Lord Pyre to ask if adding an Order Marker requirement here might hurt his Spider-Verse pull.

Still kicking around the ideas mentioned here. Would like to get the SPs updated for consideration by tomorrow evening.

[IAmBatman]

Sounds good. No hurries, just don't leave us hanging.

[Alexandros]

How is something like this? I'm hesitant to go with 4 powers, but 3 of them are pretty text light.

ULTIMATE SACRIFICE
If a friendly figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man would receive on or more wounds from an opponents normal attack, If possible, Spider-Man may use Swing Line to move adjacent to that figure. If he does, Spider-Man must receive those wounds instead.

GO THE DISTANCE
Once per round, if Spider-Man would be destroyed by receiving wounds, he instead takes no damage.

SWING LINE 4
Instead of his normal move, Spider-Man may move up to 4 spaces with Swing Line. When moving with Swing Line, Spider-Man has the Flying special power, but may not move up or down more than 40 levels in a single swing, and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

SPIDER-AGILITY 2
After Spider-Man attacks an adjacent figure, he may move up to 2 spaces with his Swing Line special power. If he moves at least one space, he may attack an adjacent figure one additional time.

[MrNobody]

I can dig it. Give everything a once over for typos though.

[Lord Pyre]

Like I said in my post, I don't really see why we have to try to shoehorn in a need to take turns with him. With as large and expansive Spider-Verse already is, we can let designs just be good at one thing. I'd rather cut Agility and let him be a passive Spidey, rather than try to shove a 4th one on there.



Or, if we really want a reason to take turns with him, make the powers a little more cohesive together. Go the Distance and Sacrifice work well together themselves, but they don't mesh with wanting to take a turn with him.

[IAmBatman]

LP has a better read on what will make this character feel "right" than I do, so I'm happy to defer to him.