The Book of Satanus

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

From his last post, I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

No. We've set a very clear standard on this one, and I communicated it to you all previously in a post. Whether you all choose to believe me or not seems to be a matter of some controversy.

I guess what I meant to say was that at present our standards are set on a design by design basis. Not on a scale that spans across C3G.

In other words. Right now we have some designs with the "species" text on the card listing their Class, while other list Order, and some list Family.

So while they are all biological references to a structure. They are not structured in reference to each other. So we (or at least I) was suggesting that we not forget that we can if we choose to, set the standards across all cards; instead of changing it up each time for what sounds best.

Which to be honest is not a bad way to go. It just feels weird to have a category on the card called "species" and not structure it so that it represents a real category (as in something that can be cataloged).

I'm definitely not saying the system is broken. I'm just saying "is this set up intended?"

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

From his last post, I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

I'm probably missing something in the conversation. It happens to me all the time.

[IAmBatman]

What I'm saying is that this particular choice has a direct precedent in the sanctum, and that we're going Tyrannosaurus Rex here, because that's the C3G precedent, and no other precedent is relevant.

Species, like Class, is an area where, barring heavy OCD, we have a bit of creative wiggle room whereby we can best express the theme of the card in a way that works mechanically as well. That may mean more or less specificity based on the design. It likely will not mean a rigid set of rules as to what absolutely can or can't be a species.

We don't do this scientifically. We do it artistically. That may lead to some inconsistencies here or there, but I believe it leads to a lot more fun and creativity overall.

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

What I'm saying is that this particular choice has a direct precedent in the sanctum, and that we're going Tyrannosaurus Rex here, because that's the C3G precedent, and no other precedent is relevant.

Species, like Class, is an area where, barring heavy OCD, we have a bit of creative wiggle room whereby we can best express the theme of the card in a way that works mechanically as well. That may mean more or less specificity based on the design. It likely will not mean a rigid set of rules as to what absolutely can or can't be a species.

We don't do this scientifically. We do it artistically. That may lead to some inconsistencies here or there, but I believe it leads to a lot more fun and creativity overall.

Okay then. It really bothers me but I have no control over it. Carry on.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

What I'm saying is that this particular choice has a direct precedent in the sanctum, and that we're going Tyrannosaurus Rex here, because that's the C3G precedent, and no other precedent is relevant.

Species, like Class, is an area where, barring heavy OCD, we have a bit of creative wiggle room whereby we can best express the theme of the card in a way that works mechanically as well. That may mean more or less specificity based on the design. It likely will not mean a rigid set of rules as to what absolutely can or can't be a species.

We don't do this scientifically. We do it artistically. That may lead to some inconsistencies here or there, but I believe it leads to a lot more fun and creativity overall.

Yeah and I think that's a good direction to go when you can keep the theme or flow of the card paramount to the structure of the card. I was just showing that sometimes both directions can be taken. The theme can be captured "while" utilizing the most accurate representation of a structured "species" category.

But without more info on what you mad scientists are doing behind the scenes, there is no way tell!

At any rate it is a very small part of the design process and apart from being fun to debate does not really hold much weight when determining factors of play.

[johnny139]

To be honest I also dislike Tyrannosaurus Rex as a class, but what's done is done.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by johnny139

To be honest I also dislike Tyrannosaurus Rex as a class, but what's done is done.

Class, I thought we were talking about Species? Oh, hell now we have to start this whole conversation over again...

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

Okay then. It really bothers me but I have no control over it. Carry on.

Now you get my point.

[streaky2007]

Hi everyone,

I don't fully understand the class/species debate, but am I right that the latest is:

Dinosaur
Unique Hero
Tyrannosaurus Rex

Personally, I like the restrictions/benefits of Event Hero but I don't think it's appropriate for him.

I'd like 10 Life, 5 or 6 Defense, Unique Hero and then add...

EPIC TOUGHNESS
Satanus is never destroyed without first taking enough wounds to be destroyed. If a terrain rule or a special power on any Army Card, Glyph, or Destructible Object would automatically destroy Satanus, that terrain rule or special power instead inflicts 4 wounds on Satanus.

...taken from the Event Hero rules. He only has one power at the moment, so there is plenty of space.

As for the "mini", I'm taking the Henry Ford approach: Any colour you like, as long as it's black! Even I'm not expecting to get the "right" figure, but it NEEDS to be black on the card.

[clembo2021]

Part of the reason he's also an event hero though is so he can't carry equipment glyphs. I mean how can he carry a gun with those stubby little arms?

[streaky2007]

I take your point about glyphs. Maybe Event Hero is easier.

As for species, he is a Clone - so that might get around all the dino debate.

[Tornado]

I wish I had logged on earlier to squash this debate. If Bats says it is T-Rex, it is T-Rex, end of discussion.

It sounds like there is different feelings on Event Hero.
I would much rather make him an Event Hero then give him another power that affords partial Event Hero powers(and not the one I wanted, no Equipment Glyphs). It will be difficult to sway me from one power, so I do hope there is a chance of this. I could use either a Hero ruling or I will put it to a vote soon if need be.
I still do not see any comments on his only power. So much concern over the figure and species and no discussion on the mechanics of his only power.
I will get some more figure pics up this weekend.

Any more thoughts on a Life increase? I would like to see him at 9 or 10 Life and maybe if need be, drop his Defense from 7 to 6.

It would be great to iron this stuff out so I can propose an Initial when the original 48 hour breathing period is over.

Thanks everyone. Good to hear from you streaky. I believe Dredd will be the last Clone. I think that species is now outlawed in C3G. The thinking being a clone of a species is that species.

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Hmm, if you give him more life, auto-destroy powers will devastate him even more if he's not an Event Hero.

That mini looks reasonably affordable/obtainable. Can we verify that it fits on two hexes all right?

Yes. I own one and it easily fits on any double base. In fact you could almost fit it on a large single base but I prefer double because that is what the Walmart figure has to be. A very nice looking figure, I am not sure I can bring myself to paint it black, I will most likely pick up another one this weekend for this purpose.

It is my hope that we can have two mini cards, one for the Mojo figure and one for the Walmart figure. Then if you have neither and are using another proxy, you can select the card that is closer to the size of your figure.