The Book of Red Skull

[SirGalahad]

Yea to the change

[IAmBatman]

yea

[Ronin]

Bump for closure

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

MASTER MOTIVATOR
After taking a turn with Red Skull, if he inflicted one or more wounds with his normal attack this turn, you may take an immediate turn with any other Unique Hero you control within clear sight of Red Skull without the Master Motivator special power, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

Actually, at that point you could get rid of the "without the Master Motivator special power" part, leaving you:

MASTER MOTIVATOR
After taking a turn with Red Skull, if he inflicted one or more wounds with his normal attack this turn, you may take an immediate turn with any other Unique Hero you control within clear sight of Red Skull, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

I like this and feel that the change could be made without a change in cost, since it really only fixes the broken loops and doesn't change the way he was tested.[/QUOTE]
We've got at least 4 current Heroes and 2 former Heroes in agreement with this change, including the LD. All we need is an update to the SP and cards.

[Viegon]

You can still do some odd things leading into Red Skull's turn (using him, Ms. Marvel can essentially take a double-turn), but otherwise it definitely keeps it more contained.

[Hahma]

AVENGER ATTACK COMMAND
At the start of the game, you may choose up to 2 other Unique Heroes you control and place a white Avenger Marker on each of their cards. After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving Ms. Marvel, you may take a turn with one figure you control with an Avenger Marker on its card that is within 5 clear sight spaces of Ms. Marvel.

It seems this part could create some weird turn interruption of sort. If Red Skull had a white Avenger Marker on his card and within 5 CSS of Ms. Marvel, she could:

• Reveal OM and not move

• Red Skull could inflict a wound on enemy or friendly figure, thus allowing Ms. Marvel to take an immediate turn or another figure within clear sight to take an immediate turn. But either way, that other turn would occur before Ms. Marvel attacked.

It's a weird combo because of the wording for Ms. Marvel "instead of moving Ms. Marvel" is a timing thing, since moving comes before attacking. Thus the figure with the Avenger Marker on its card would be able to take a turn in place of her movement, and then after that figure's turn, she'd get to attack. Right?

So if Red Skull inflicted a wound to give another figure a turn, that other figure's turn (including Ms. Marvel) would come before Ms. Marvel even got to attack from her original turn because Master Motivator says they get to take an immediate turn.

AVENGER ATTACK COMMAND
At the start of the game, you may choose up to 2 other Unique Heroes you control and place a white Avenger Marker on each of their cards. After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving if Ms. Marvel didn't move during her turn, you may take a turn with one figure you control with an Avenger Marker on its card that is within 5 clear sight spaces of Ms. Marvel.

Would that change help eliminate some wonkiness with her?

I realize this is Red Skull's thread, but since Ms. Marvel was brought up, I figured I'd look into what V was saying and then it struck me that there could be some weird timing issues with RS and MM. And perhaps some other timing issues with MM and other figures.

[Karat]

Hmm, that is a good point Hahma and that does seem to be a valid fix that wonky interaction.

[Lazy Orang]

Wouldn't the sidekick language be more precedential, less abusable and cause fewer problems down the line?

[caps]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Wouldn't the sidekick language be more precedential, less abusable and cause fewer problems down the line?

I don't see how.

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I think this would stick closer to how the card originally played:

AVENGER ATTACK COMMAND
At the start of the game, you may choose up to 2 other Unique Heroes you control and place a white Avenger Marker on each of their cards. After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving if before taking a turn with Ms. Marvel didn't move during her turn, you may take a turn with one figure you control with an Avenger Marker on its card that is within 5 clear sight spaces of Ms. Marvel. Ms. Marvel may not move on her turn when she uses Avenger Attack Command [to take a turn with another figure].

[Viegon]

Yeah, Avengers Attack Command has a lot of weirdness due to it being in the middle of her turn. That change would certainly clean it up, but it does make a mechanical change.

EDIT: I was responding to Hahma's suggestion here. I like Caps's suggestion, though.

[IAmBatman]

Cap's change seems to keep the essentials in play. I like it. Totally irrelevant discussion for this thread, though.

[japes]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

I like this and feel that the change could be made without a change in cost, since it really only fixes the broken loops and doesn't change the way he was tested.

We've got at least 4 current Heroes and 2 former Heroes in agreement with this change, including the LD. All we need is an update to the SP and cards.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't look like this was updated.

Also PDF and JPG are not showing up.