The Book of Vertigo

[Viegon]

I prefer "printed" or "original" to the current wording.

[johnny139]

I'd go with "original," printed sounds weird to me.

[IAmBatman]

Printed is a bit "meta," (in that it draws you out of the game by referring to components of the game) - but this isn't unusual in that references to Army Cards, dice (D20 and attack/defense both), Wound Markers, power markers, and Order Markers all do the same thing.

What I like about "printed" is I see it as air-tight when it comes to rules lawyering. I think "original" is very close to it as well, but I could see people questioning "when" the original is measured from, etc.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by ibechief

Try this. Before you click past in the post widow. First change the window to Advanced by licking Go Advanced. Then you will notice that the background of the typing field is white. Click the top right corner button that looks like this then the typing field will turn slightly yellow like the color of parchment.

Repaste your text now and you should be good to go.

Hope this works for you!

Fixed. Thanks chief. You would think I would have figured that kind of stuff out by now, it took me a year before I realized the function of the quote button (I still have not used multi-quote).

Looking good Viegon, great job thus far.

[quozl]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

What I like about "printed" is I see it as air-tight when it comes to rules lawyering. I think "original" is very close to it as well, but I could see people questioning "when" the original is measured from, etc.

We could always add it to our rules thread...

[IAmBatman]

Add what, specifically? "Original"?

I think our goal here should be to use verbiage that's as easy to understand as possible from just looking at the card itself. Not to say that further clarification elsewhere wouldn't be welcome.

[quozl]

So we want to change this:

VERTIGO PROJECTION
When an opponent’s figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Vertigo begins its normal movement, you may immediately roll X combat dice, where X equals that figure’s Move number. For each shield rolled, that figure subtracts 1 from its Move number for the duration of its turn. Androids and destructible objects are not affected by Vertigo Projection.

to this:

VERTIGO PROJECTION
When an opponent’s figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Vertigo begins its normal movement, you may immediately roll X combat dice, where X equals that figure’s printed Move number. For each shield rolled, that figure subtracts 1 from its Move number for the duration of its turn. Androids and destructible objects are not affected by Vertigo Projection.

I'm good with that.

[IAmBatman]

Looks good to me, but I hope others will weigh in.

We also still need A3n's vote or time to move to Final Editing, I believe.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Looks good to me, but I hope others will weigh in.

We also still need A3n's vote or time to move to Final Editing, I believe.

For what it is worth, I think "original" is a better fit than "printed". While I understand that references to standard game mechanics like dice, figures, and Army Cards already reference things outside the "game" it is important to avoid moving closer and closer to verbiage that starts to reference how the game was created.

Printed is not simply a reference to a mechanic. It tells us how the game pieces were made. We do not want to set precedent for a situation where our cards eventually read.

Irrational Special Attack
Range 4. Attack 4.
When this pre-molded figure of Bizzaro attacks with this special attack printed on this Army Card, roll the 20 sided die. If you roll the white number 10 painted on that 20 sided die, you may add 1 to the printed attack or printed defense numbers on this printed Army Card.

Clarity should never overwrite common sense.

If the card uses the term Original, while I can see a manipulative player suggesting that the cards own stat number adjustments would be taken into account since they are also original, I think a simple Rule could fix that "Original: Something that has not been modified."
We would need a rule anyway to define exactly what printed means since it is a term that is not in the classic cards.

There are other options as well like base, unmodified, or standard.

Anyway, I shared my thoughts and I hope others will too!

[Gurei-Ornery]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Fwiw, I wish we'd go back to "Move Number" meaning the actual number printed on the card. I'm not sure how or why we got away from that, but that's what I always understood such powers to be. Not that you couldn't add to these or subtract from these with other powers, but it was always being added to or subtracted from this base number.

It always seemed intuitive when powers refered to "Move (or Attack, Defense, Range, etc) number" that it meant the card's Move number. Having Projection only roll for Move number and not modified Move number from something like Heist makes sense to me also, if only for simplicity's sake. I personally think the text is fine as is.

[SirGalahad]

When we change a figure's Class or Personality, we always say "what is listed on the card" We could do the same thing here, "where X equals the Move number that is listed on the figure's card."

A few more words, but it is constructed similarly to what we've already done.

[Viegon]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

When we change a figure's Class or Personality, we always say "what is listed on the card" We could do the same thing here, "where X equals the Move number that is listed on the figure's card."

A few more words, but it is constructed similarly to what we've already done.