Death Knights of Valkrill Pre-Release Discussion Thread

[skyknight]

Originally Posted by RickyDMMontoya

That doesn't make it look any less stupid after the fact. The two are separated by mere months, and now her ability is goofy and out of place.

as are some players comments

[xraine69]

Originally Posted by jschild

I bet if Auggie's had any Dum Guards, by tomorrow they won't

I got ed on the Knight vs. Death Knight. As for the Dumatef Guard, I have 7. I just recently got ahold of 2 RttFF and was wondering what I would do with all those Dumatefs. Great job and thanks guys.

[Killer Lawnmower]

Originally Posted by xraine69

These guys look amazing. I might get another DG which only puts me at 2, but I still have Taelord and thats good enough for me!!! Great job!

I got ed on the Knight vs. Death Knight. As for the Dumatef Guard, I have 7.

[chaoserver]

These guys are interesting. I find it really odd they have no Valkrill hero to go with them....


Yet >

[DWK9000]

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

I'm not particularly great at this game and don't have much experience, but I feel like contributing anyway.

The Death Knights certainly bring a lot to the table. I see them ending up as a major (or at least notable) melee threat in the future.

Air Elemental: Use the elementals to ensure (or at least try) that the D. Knights don't get overwhelmed by melee. Needs some way to deal with range. Also, I pity any figure that flies going up against these guys.

Khosumet the Darklord: Will Relentless Assault now have a use? Partnered with some Anubian Wolves, I could see an army built around switching between the Death Knights and Anubians. Turn 1: Move and attack with D. Knights and move Khosumet into position. Turn 2: Hope you get a good Unleashed Fury roll and move in with the Anubians. Rinse, repeat. Would probably be an order marker nightmare considering you still need anti-range.

Sir Hawthorne: I don't see this as your best option. Sure it could work, but there are certainly better uses for Unholy Bonding. Sadly, it doesn't negate his Stab in the Back either.

Taelord the Kyrie Warrior: Do i even have to say anything? These guys were literally made for Taelord!

Venoc Warlord: More support for the Venoc Warlord! Most of the uses I see (Venocs, Mohicans) would only be useful in large point games. I can imagine an army with the D. Knights, V. Warlord, and Aubrien Archers being fairly effective though. I would like to test this theory.

Dumutef Guard: As mentioned, this makes for a pretty good melee core, especially on road heavy maps. There still aren't too many uses for Devourer Attack Enhancement, but the D. Knights have melee covered making it of little consequence.

Overall, I like these guys. They have great sculpts and their abilities open up quite a few interesting possibilities.

Hawthorn is awsome why wouldnt you use him the stab in the back happens on a roll of 1. The chances of it happening are very slim and if you happpen to have the lucky glyph your chances are nil

[dok]

Originally Posted by jschild

I bet if Auggie's had any Dum Guards, by tomorrow they won't

This was the first thing I checked after making this thread. No Dumutefs at Auggie's. Fortunately I have three already, but I could use one more.

[YoYoCheese]

Originally Posted by DWK9000

Hawthorn is awsome why wouldnt you use him the stab in the back happens on a roll of 1. The chances of it happening are very slim and if you happpen to have the lucky glyph your chances are nil

Personally, I like Hawthorne (even if don't actually have him yet), but I'm not seeing a large number of advantages gained by bonding with the D. Knights. Also, SitB is rare, but still possible and the luck glyph is not on every map.

Again, I'm no Napoleon Bonaparte. Who knows? With the right strategy the D. Knights could be a massive boost for Sir Hawthorne. We might be surprised.

[Pickledpie]

Woah. Taelord love.

Obviously, when you mention Taelord, Omnicron armies come to mind. These guys could be a really cool melée screen for the Snipers. The only thing is, with only 2 figures in a squad, I'm not sure how that will work. Maybe if one could try using them kinda like an attacking screen, that could work. The only question is who to stick Taelord with.

Both the Snipers and the DKs would greatly benefit from Tae. That's why I think the DKs and Snipers could kind of move as a pod with Taelord in between them. I can't think of anything like Rats, Stingers, or Raelin, that could counter this. Tons of multi attacks like Q9 and the Ashigaru might give this build trouble, but really because of the DKs high defense, the chances are slim.

Maybe:
Taelord
Snipers x2
DK x2

Sorry if this was posted before, this thread has filled up fast and I may have missed it.

[dok]

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Air Elemental: Use the elementals to ensure (or at least try) that the D. Knights don't get overwhelmed by melee. Needs some way to deal with range. Also, I pity any figure that flies going up against these guys.

I might toss one or two AEs in to a DK army, but overall, I don't think they're the best figure to pair with the DKs. Air Elementals are better for protecting ranged figures or cheerleaders, not for joining the attack force.

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Khosumet the Darklord: Will Relentless Assault now have a use? Partnered with some Anubian Wolves, I could see an army built around switching between the Death Knights and Anubians. Turn 1: Move and attack with D. Knights and move Khosumet into position. Turn 2: Hope you get a good Unleashed Fury roll and move in with the Anubians. Rinse, repeat. Would probably be an order marker nightmare considering you still need anti-range.

Yeah, these guys are a better option for Khosumet than the WoB are, but Khosumet isn't a very good option for them.

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Sir Hawthorne: I don't see this as your best option. Sure it could work, but there are certainly better uses for Unholy Bonding. Sadly, it doesn't negate his Stab in the Back either.

I disagree here. Like many melee armies, the DKs fear rats and counterstrikers. Hawthorne is an elegant and affordable solution to those problems. Sure, you live and die by the d20, but that's how it works.

(The DKs actually do well against the WoA, because the WoA will whiff a lot with only one defense die.)

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Taelord the Kyrie Warrior: Do i even have to say anything? These guys were literally made for Taelord!

I disagree. I think Taelord's best army is still unchanged. Taelord is just too expensive and has too big a target to spend his time up near the front. The best way to use Taelord is to have him standing next to Raelin and 4 hexes behind a row of 10th regiment or Omnicron Snipers or some other ranged force.

In a high point game, I would toss DKs and Taelord together, but at typical tournament point levels, I'm not sure it makes much sense.

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Venoc Warlord: More support for the Venoc Warlord! Most of the uses I see (Venocs, Mohicans) would only be useful in large point games. I can imagine an army with the D. Knights, V. Warlord, and Aubrien Archers being fairly effective though. I would like to test this theory.

There's some interesting options here, but Mittens already has two other bonding squads and I'm not sure the DKs really give him any options he didn't already have.

Originally Posted by YoYoCheese

Dumutef Guard: As mentioned, this makes for a pretty good melee core, especially on road heavy maps. There still aren't too many uses for Devourer Attack Enhancement, but the D. Knights have melee covered making it of little consequence.

Yeah, this is my favorite option, along with Hawthorne. You can try to make Marcu or Anubians work with the Dumutefs, but it's probably better to just load up on DKs and Dumutefs and roll with it.

[johnny139]

VERY interested in these guys. Another simple but elegant and VERY fun design. I like Relentless Bonding - it's very vague, and could make for some interesting synergy. I mean, bonding with Khosumet! And Taelord! And the Dumutef! Finally he'll get some use...

...and the design is fantastic, too. I was worried it'd be too "black and evil," but I love the sort of ruined feel to it.

[gorthan313]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

The Dumatef really is getting the love from these guys

At long last! The Dumutef will once again rise up through the ranks of common heroes!

[johnny139]

Huh, thinking for a minute...

Death Knights x6 ~ 360 Points
Dumutef Guard x6 ~ 150 Points
24 tiles, 510 Points

Alright, yeah, I don't think it'd be all that good... but man, wouldn't it be FUN?