The Book of Master Splinter

[Yodaking]

yea

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Spidey'tilIDie

Just re-read Breaking Balance, somewhere it lost the dice boost. I am happy now.
Yea

Yeah, that was dropped a while back - it was a little inelegant, and, while it was needed to keep him around at 5 def, at 6 def with the potential bonus of The Way of Ninjitsu it's not really needed.

[johnny139]

Yea

[Lazy Orang]

This passes!

[Tornado]

You need to update the SP with the current version.

Initial is up.

Spoiler Alert!

MASTER SPLINTER

RODENT
UNIQUE HERO
SENSEI
WISE
MEDIUM 4

4 LIFE
MOVE 5
RANGE 1
ATTACK 4
DEFENCE 6

230 Points?

THE WAY OF NINJITSU

Once per round, after any attack dice, defense dice, or the 20-sided die is rolled for Master Splinter or a Ninja Turtle you control, you may add or subtract a skull, shield, or 4 from that roll.

FATHER'S DEVOTION

Once per round, when either an Order Marker is removed from the card of a Ninja Turtle you control or when a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, you may place any unrevealed Order Markers from that card on this card. When a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, for the rest of the round, when Splinter attacks, he may attack one additional time.

BREAKING BALANCE

When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, or when defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if the opponent rolls more skulls than shields and Master Splinter is not destroyed, you may inflict a wound on that figure. Tiny and Huge figures are not affected by Breaking Balance.

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Splinter)
Hero Tests
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. Lost many.
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 feels OK after these tests.
- Give a brief overview. Splinter had a tough go with the other 230 point figures.
Map: Custom

Spoiler Alert!

All 230

TEST 1
Units: US Agent
Who won and how many wounds did they have? US Agent: Full.
ReMatch: US Agent 3/5 wounds.

TEST 2
Units: Iron Monger
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Splinter: Full

TEST 3
Units: Venom
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Venom 3/5W

TEST 4
Units: Shang-Chi.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Shang-Chi 3/5W

TEST 5
Units: Ursa
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Splinter 3/4W

TEST 6
Units: Green Goblin
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Green Goblin 3/5W

Arkham's Tests vs Leo

Originally Posted by Arkham

Running some 1 on 1 tests.

That's 5 games, where Splinter went 4-1. That's without his Father's Devotion power coming into play at all. It's also worth noting, Splinter won initiative in almost every game, which led to him being attacked by Leo first due to not getting close enough to attack yet. So with Leo getting the first jump on Splinter first in 4 out of 5 games, which is ideal for him, he still lost 4 out of 5 games.

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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? TI saw nothing to alter 230.
- Give a brief preview. Turtles vs Creatures.
Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) & Hand(85) [1015] vs. Frank, Wendigo, Dragon Man & Lurker [1015]

Spoiler Alert!

1: Splinter moves. DM moves. Raph and Hand move. Frank moves. Leo moves, Don moves, Throws Mikey (+4, TWON). Frank KOs Hand.

2: Rah moves, wounds Frank, Hand 2wound Frank. Frank KOs Hand, DM moves, Firebreaths(3skulls), 2wounds Splinter & Don, misses Leo & Mikey. Leo wounds Frank, Mikey misses DM, Raph wounds Frank. Frank wounds Leo , DM Firebreaths(blanks out). Frank 3w Leo, DM Firebreat(1sk) misses.

3: Leo KOs Frank, Mikey misses DM, wounds DM, Raph moves wounds DM. DM KOs Leo. Splinter charges, attacks(2skulls +1 TWON) wounds DM (2shields), wounds DM (BB, 3skulls), attacks again (Father's Devotion), misses (2skulls), wounds DM (BB, 4skulls). DM misses Splinter(2skulls). Wendigo Leaps, KOs Splinter (4skulls, 2wounds), avoids a swipe, misses Don.

4: Mikey KOs DM, moves, misses Wendigo who KOs Don, heals, moves, 2w Mike who 2w Wendi who wounds Mikey. Raph moves misses Wendi who misses Mikey.

5: Wendi KOs Mikey, misses Raph. Wrath steps in and wounds Wendi who wounds Raph who 2w Wendi who wounds Raph. Wrath 3w Wendi.

6: Raph KOs Wendi. KOs Lurker.


The Way of Ninjitsu: +4 d20: Once. +1 Auto SkullOnce.
Father's Devotion: One extra attack (miss).
Breaking Balance: 2 wounds

Damage Dealt: 1 normal, 2 Breaking Balance.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?Raphael 2/5, 1 of 3 Hand.

Recap: Tried to use TWoN to manipulate Self Importance but the rolls never worked out.
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Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 did not feel wrong.
- Give a brief preview. Raph gets bloody violent and the Criminals suffer his wrath.

Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) [930] vs. Doc Ock(215), Wizard(140), Whirlwind(190) & LexCorp x3(390) [935]

Spoiler Alert!

1: Leo moves, Don moves, Throws Raph. LexC, Whirlwind move. Mikey moves, Mikey moves misses Whirl. LexC moves, misses Mike, Whirl 4w Mikey. Rap moves, KOs Whirl! LexC misses Mike, Doc moves wounds Raph (1 blocked by TWON).

2: LexC moves, KOs MIkey, Doc moves, 2w Raph(1 block, TWON). Leo moves, misses LexC, Don Throws Doc down for a wound, Raph wounds Doc. LexC & Doc miss Raph. Leo KOs Doc, KOs LexC. LexC miss Raph.

3: LexC wounds Raph, Wiz moves KOs Raph, misses Leo(1 block, TWON). Leo moves, KOs LexC, Don Leaps, wounds Wiz. LexC 2w Leo, Wiz takes a swipe, misses Leo who KOs Wiz, Don Leaps, KOs LexC. LexC miss.

4: LexC miss Leo who KOs LexC, Don KOs LexC. LexC miss Don. Leo KOs a LexC, Don KOs LexC (auto-skull, TWON).

The Way of Ninjitsu: +1 Skull: Once. +1 Shield: Thrice.
Father's Devotion: Not used.
Breaking Balance: Not used.

Damage Dealt: None, indirectly, one via TWoN.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?Leo 2/5, Donatello 0/4, Splinter 0/4.

Recap: Raph refused to die at one point and the Criminals took some vicious attacks they could not overcome. Splinter was there to timely give out an auto shield when needed.

FINAL THOUGHTS: The Turtles are interesting to play. Everything hinges on Raphael and his Self Importance. Not only is this roll influenced by his own Raph's Wrath but also by Leo and Splinter, making for a bit of calculations with each roll and a lot of strategy to go along with it. I am not sure I entirely grasped the potential here.

From what I gathered, Splinter was really best served hanging back and trying to force Raph's Wrath or helping out with a bonus shield.

With no real bonding to the team or the Hand Ninja it makes it a bit of a hassle to keep him with the group, though I suppose Don could throw him, which is a good use of the +4 from The Way of Ninjitsu.

I think Splinter makes for a nice booster and fail safe plan for the group. Going mostly off the one on ones, he did not feel overpowered at 230. That Life 4 really goes quickly against most other figures in that point group.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Tornado

You need to update the SP with the current version.

Initial is up.

Spoiler Alert!

MASTER SPLINTER

RODENT
UNIQUE HERO
SENSEI
WISE
MEDIUM 4

4 LIFE
MOVE 5
RANGE 1
ATTACK 4
DEFENCE 6

230 Points?

THE WAY OF NINJITSU

Once per round, after any attack dice, defense dice, or the 20-sided die is rolled for Master Splinter or a Ninja Turtle you control, you may add or subtract a skull, shield, or 4 from that roll.

FATHER'S DEVOTION

Once per round, when either an Order Marker is removed from the card of a Ninja Turtle you control or when a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, you may place any unrevealed Order Markers from that card on this card. When a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, for the rest of the round, when Splinter attacks, he may attack one additional time.

BREAKING BALANCE

When attacking an opponent's adjacent figure with a normal attack, or when defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if the opponent rolls more skulls than shields and Master Splinter is not destroyed, you may inflict a wound on that figure. Tiny and Huge figures are not affected by Breaking Balance.

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Splinter)
Hero Tests
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. Lost many.
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 feels OK after these tests.
- Give a brief overview. Splinter had a tough go with the other 230 point figures.
Map: Custom

Spoiler Alert!

All 230

TEST 1
Units: US Agent
Who won and how many wounds did they have? US Agent: Full.
ReMatch: US Agent 3/5 wounds.

TEST 2
Units: Iron Monger
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Splinter: Full

TEST 3
Units: Venom
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Venom 3/5W

TEST 4
Units: Shang-Chi.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Shang-Chi 3/5W

TEST 5
Units: Ursa
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Splinter 3/4W

TEST 6
Units: Green Goblin
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Green Goblin 3/5W

Arkham's Tests vs Leo

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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? TI saw nothing to alter 230.
- Give a brief preview. Turtles vs Creatures.
Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) & Hand(85) [1015] vs. Frank, Wendigo, Dragon Man & Lurker [1015]

Spoiler Alert!

1: Splinter moves. DM moves. Raph and Hand move. Frank moves. Leo moves, Don moves, Throws Mikey (+4, TWON). Frank KOs Hand.

2: Rah moves, wounds Frank, Hand 2wound Frank. Frank KOs Hand, DM moves, Firebreaths(3skulls), 2wounds Splinter & Don, misses Leo & Mikey. Leo wounds Frank, Mikey misses DM, Raph wounds Frank. Frank wounds Leo , DM Firebreaths(blanks out). Frank 3w Leo, DM Firebreat(1sk) misses.

3: Leo KOs Frank, Mikey misses DM, wounds DM, Raph moves wounds DM. DM KOs Leo. Splinter charges, attacks(2skulls +1 TWON) wounds DM (2shields), wounds DM (BB, 3skulls), attacks again (Father's Devotion), misses (2skulls), wounds DM (BB, 4skulls). DM misses Splinter(2skulls). Wendigo Leaps, KOs Splinter (4skulls, 2wounds), avoids a swipe, misses Don.

4: Mikey KOs DM, moves, misses Wendigo who KOs Don, heals, moves, 2w Mike who 2w Wendi who wounds Mikey. Raph moves misses Wendi who misses Mikey.

5: Wendi KOs Mikey, misses Raph. Wrath steps in and wounds Wendi who wounds Raph who 2w Wendi who wounds Raph. Wrath 3w Wendi.

6: Raph KOs Wendi. KOs Lurker.


The Way of Ninjitsu: +4 d20: Once. +1 Auto SkullOnce.
Father's Devotion: One extra attack (miss).
Breaking Balance: 2 wounds

Damage Dealt: 1 normal, 2 Breaking Balance.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?Raphael 2/5, 1 of 3 Hand.

Recap: Tried to use TWoN to manipulate Self Importance but the rolls never worked out.
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Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 did not feel wrong.
- Give a brief preview. Raph gets bloody violent and the Criminals suffer his wrath.

Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) [930] vs. Doc Ock(215), Wizard(140), Whirlwind(190) & LexCorp x3(390) [935]

Spoiler Alert!

1: Leo moves, Don moves, Throws Raph. LexC, Whirlwind move. Mikey moves, Mikey moves misses Whirl. LexC moves, misses Mike, Whirl 4w Mikey. Rap moves, KOs Whirl! LexC misses Mike, Doc moves wounds Raph (1 blocked by TWON).

2: LexC moves, KOs MIkey, Doc moves, 2w Raph(1 block, TWON). Leo moves, misses LexC, Don Throws Doc down for a wound, Raph wounds Doc. LexC & Doc miss Raph. Leo KOs Doc, KOs LexC. LexC miss Raph.

3: LexC wounds Raph, Wiz moves KOs Raph, misses Leo(1 block, TWON). Leo moves, KOs LexC, Don Leaps, wounds Wiz. LexC 2w Leo, Wiz takes a swipe, misses Leo who KOs Wiz, Don Leaps, KOs LexC. LexC miss.

4: LexC miss Leo who KOs LexC, Don KOs LexC. LexC miss Don. Leo KOs a LexC, Don KOs LexC (auto-skull, TWON).

The Way of Ninjitsu: +1 Skull: Once. +1 Shield: Thrice.
Father's Devotion: Not used.
Breaking Balance: Not used.

Damage Dealt: None, indirectly, one via TWoN.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?Leo 2/5, Donatello 0/4, Splinter 0/4.

Recap: Raph refused to die at one point and the Criminals took some vicious attacks they could not overcome. Splinter was there to timely give out an auto shield when needed.

FINAL THOUGHTS: The Turtles are interesting to play. Everything hinges on Raphael and his Self Importance. Not only is this roll influenced by his own Raph's Wrath but also by Leo and Splinter, making for a bit of calculations with each roll and a lot of strategy to go along with it. I am not sure I entirely grasped the potential here.

From what I gathered, Splinter was really best served hanging back and trying to force Raph's Wrath or helping out with a bonus shield.

With no real bonding to the team or the Hand Ninja it makes it a bit of a hassle to keep him with the group, though I suppose Don could throw him, which is a good use of the +4 from The Way of Ninjitsu.

I think Splinter makes for a nice booster and fail safe plan for the group. Going mostly off the one on ones, he did not feel overpowered at 230. That Life 4 really goes quickly against most other figures in that point group.

Yeah, I'm aware the SP needs updating - I've been putting it off since he's gone through so many changes, I wanted to make sure we were happy with the present version before I updated it.

Thanks so much for the tests! (And for doing them so quickly - I don't know how you guys do it, most tests take me considerably longer.)
Splinter was always going to suffer against fellow 230 pointers in 1v1 - his support abilities are part of his cost, without them he's probably closer to 190/200. Notable that his victories were against Iron Monger (whose pififully low life makes him a fairly easy prospect for Splinter, thanks to Breaking Balance) and Ursa (a decidedly average character really - not totally sure she's worth her points, I mean, Kryptonian Defence is good, but the only other real thing she's got going for her is Special Attack that's pretty much just a Kryptonian counter and hurts her as she uses it).
It's also interesting that you seemed to make a lot out of Self Importance - never really used it in the last few tests I ran, maybe I ought to have tried to make more use of it. I'm glad you liked him! If he feels like a solid boosting figure and a nice, scary reserve force/clean-up figure, that sounds right to me.
I'll make a proposal for Public Playtesting tomorrow night. Thanks again, chap!

~Lazy Orang, breathing a sigh of relief.

[Yodaking]

Tornado, it looks like you never took a 5 turn round with the Turtles/Splinter in either game, is the correct or am I just missing it?

[Arkham]

Doesn’t look like the current wording allows for it.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Arkham

Doesn’t look like the current wording allows for it.

Yes it does:

FATHER'S DEVOTION

Once per round, when either an Order Marker is removed from the card of a Ninja Turtle you control or when a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, you may place any unrevealed Order Markers from that card on this card. When a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, for the rest of the round, when Splinter attacks, he may attack one additional time.

Actually... maybe it doesn't. It was certainly meant to. That was always my intent. I meant for you to be able to use Leo's Turtle Power and recover one of the Order Markers with Splinter.

[Arkham]

Definitely doesn't.

[Lazy Orang]

Ah... well, that's how I always intended it and how I played him. Could we go back to it like that? I was just running with wording someone else suggested. What should I go with?

[Yodaking]

Yeah, the 5th bonus turn (on a later OM reveal) after using Turtle Power for 4 turns was always a key feature of the design in my mind.