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Re: The Great Controversy -- or Is It Really?
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(Interestingly, from what I've read in the Bible only the acts of homosexual sex is what is sinful, not the being attracted to another of the same sex, I think a lot of people miss that distinction. I have a friend who is gay and a Christian, and he and his boyfriend have committed to an intimate monogamous relationship where they will remain celibate in regards to their sexuality. As far as I know the Bible has no issue with their relationship. I'm not at all saying it's for everyone, but I'm interested to see how it devolops over time. Anyway.) My church leader said in each instance the church leadership has encouraged the individual to remain celibate and seek God, asking Him to fulfill their desire for companionship and to ease their desire for sex. In each case (so far) that has happened, and the individuals have reported that God has met them and their needs in ways that a heterosexual individual can not even fathom, as the desire they have for their spouse, while good and Biblical, does prevent a closeness to God that these other individuals have. In some ways I'm a little jealous, as I will never be able to be that close to God (because of my desires for my wife) till the New Earth comes into being. I think it was Aldin that mentioned celibacy as an option, and I think Christians dismiss that too readily. I think that's because being with someone, in both Christian and secular cultures, has become the way many people think they have worth and indentify themselves. On the flip side, if a gay individual isn't a Christian, then telling him/her to just wait on God is absurd. Sorry that I switch sometimes from my Christianity to speaking as a person not revealing their opinion on it, it was hard to maintain one stance of speaking throughout my little novel here. Also, these are just my (current) opinions, and while I think I'm right (otherwise I would have different opinions) I want to be open to the fact that I could be wrong and not get locked into my thoughts without considering new evidence as it arises. CT- humbly, seeking to learn and share my thoughts if I end up being right. |
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Heh
Not gonna lie. After my comment earlier, JS and I had a very interesting conversation. He asked some good questions and it sounds like I did as well. As a Christian, I think that's important for us to be doing within our own congregations. I think we would be served far better by doing that than attempting something political.
~Dysole, who will simply leave with an interesting observation from an article from a Christian man who said he couldn't use the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin" any more since that was pretty much only applied to homosexuals and allowed us to see their only identity as "sinner" and it allowed us to view them as different. Thought it was fascinating and I can probably dredge it up if anyone else wants to read it. My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
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Calling anyone a sinner is pointless and sounds hypocritical to me. Is anyone not a sinner?
So if we are all sinners why should anyone be treated differently than anyone else? A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Very interesting, CT!
Celibacy is, of course, an option. And if two people in your church's flock seek guidance from their religious leader, and that's how he counsels them, and they adopt his suggestion, I hope they find peace and comfort on that path. Of course, it's a whole different ballgame if your church leader were to tell everyone else, across his county and state, that *all* homosexuals should be celibate. That, of course, is not his business, and even if it were, that suggestion is both incredibly hurtful (in that it presumes a wrongness that the intended audience likely does not accept) and incredibly hurtful (in that it asks an extraordinary sacrifice). Would you tell strangers to you that they should not know a lover's touch ever, in their entire lives, because of an accident of birth? No. It's one thing to give that advice to someone who seeks it; it's quite another to have *any* expectation that others care what your opinion is, or would act upon it if they did. But if your fellow churchgoers sought his advice, and received it respectfully, and considered whether to follow it, that's their business, and not mine. |
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I have two very good friends who are going to serve as my examples here. One has consensually slept with more adults than they can recall. My advice to that person, were they to ask it, would be not to have any more sexual partners. That they would have a better life if they chose not to live that way. Society finds that person's actions completely acceptable. My other friend is attracted to underage individuals (to be clear, this person has not acted on that attraction to my knowledge). My advice to that person, were they to ask it, would be not to act on that attraction. That they will live a better life if they choose not to live that way. Society finds that person's desires completely unacceptable. Neither of these friends is a Christian and I don't preach at them about how their lives would be better. I don't have some sort of mandate that they change their lives or live by my standards. Were they to become Christians and to ask my advice, I would give it and I would support them in any way I could. I expanded it because it has nothing to do with being gay. And it has nothing to do with me telling anyone what to do. It's simply a reflection of my belief that acting in ways counter to God's Word are ultimately not the best choice for anyone in any situation. ~Aldin, mending hares He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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Interesting how you compare homosexuality to pedophilia and to promiscuity. Hmm. In your opinion, what's the difference between them? What's so special about homosexuality that it gets the same zero-tolerance treatment? Or is it that all of God's Word must be observed absolutely, and equally?
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That's my answer to part 1. Part 2 goes a bit off the rails though. Why should we treat murderers differently than someone else? Really? Of course we should treat some folks differently from other folks - and for lots of different reasons. ~Aldin, gettin along to get along He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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How are they different? |
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Really? Because my understanding is that regardless if you are a rapist or murderer if you accept Jesus as your savior and confess your sins, you go to Heaven. If you live a relatively sin-lite life but do not accept Jesus you go to Hell.
What is the grading system for sin? A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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If a homosexual friend engages in a sexual relationship with a partner, I see it as analogous to a heterosexual friend sleeping with multiple partners. I chastise neither. ~Aldin, who does stand on God's Word absolutely while wondering if that means to him what it means to someone else He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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~Aldin, trying for clarity He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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