Heroscape 2 Prediction Thread

[jcustar07]

Originally Posted by jcustar07

Can someone compare all of this to the content that was in the Heroquest campaign? It is our best example.

Best I can tell from a quick google search Heroquest All In right now is $265 and this is what you get.

91 miniatures
168 cards
42 furniture pieces including a large number or dungeon doors.
All other game pieces necessary to play the game including dice, rulebooks, scenario books, tiles, tokens, etc

So for me, the big ? with all of this is how much terrain it is going to include. I thinks caps prediction of $400 seems pretty legit to me! I would expect an all in of around $400-$500 for season 1, but that largely assumes there will be quite a bit of terrain coming out in this season.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the Heroquest info.

[Tai-Pan]

Bäm!!!! I was right!!! Q-11!!!

[chas]

20 scenarios is nice. One guy said "they are different than any of the others," but he didn't specify how.

I also note there are 10 glyphs, but we don't know if they are new or old.

[IshMEL]

One thing I did not predict was that the figures would be actual size:



And you thought storage was hard before...

[Good Pig]

Anyone else get a Parks & Rec Entertainment 360 vibe from these guys and their studio?



I was hoping to see Detlef Schrempf practicing free throws in the background.

[caps]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

Here is *my* prediction for the crowdfunding campaign...

To start with

• Rise of the Valkyrie gave us 16 army cards for 30 figures as well as a boatload of terrain for an MSRP of $40 in 2004
• Swarm of the Marro gave us 10* army cards for 24 figures (18 common figures and 7 unique figures) as well as a decent amount of terrain for an MSRP of $40 in 2007
• Battle for the Underdark gave us 8 army cards for 10 figures as well as a small amount of terrain for an MSRP of $30 in 2010

*not counting duplicate cards for commons

In total, all three master sets gave us 34 army cards and 64 figures (including 18 common figures) for an MSRP of $110.

So far we've counted at least *43 army cards* (34 heroes and 9 squads). We're guessing the number of figures will be in the ballpark of the 70s (thanks to @Anitar for posting those numbers in the discord). So just in terms of figures alone, we are getting more figures and cards than all three of the Classic master sets combined. Wow!

Now, how about terrain? Well, the previews have shown us

• some very large ruins (upgrades on the ruins in RotV, perhaps?)
• twisted and unique trees that could take the place of the Road to the Forgotten Forest evergreen trees (RttFF set had an MSRP of $20 in 2005)
• jungle trees that look like drop-in replacements for the Ticalla Jungle trees and bushes (TJ had an MSRP of $20 in 2008 )
• castle wall pieces that look like an upgraded version of the Fortress of the Archkyrie (FotA had an MSRP of $30 in 2006)

So let's say we're getting comparable terrain sets in the crowdfunding campaign. In 2004-2008 these terrain sets cost a combined $70. If we combine that with the master sets, we're looking at $180 in MSRP value to get comparable sets back in the day.

But, this is not 2004. This is not 2010. Our dollar bills are not worth what they were back then. The price of plastic has gone way up. And I have a hunch that we haven't seen all the terrain that will be in this set.

Which brings me to my prediction. I predict that we will get an amount of terrain that is comparable to something like, in equation form:

(1xRotV + 1xSotM + 1xBftU + 1xRttFF + 1xFotA +1xTJ + ???)/(2 or 3)

And I predict that it will cost $300-$400. I just can't fathom a lower price. However, given the quantity of stuff we'll get, it will still be a steal at that price. EDITed to add that @Leaf_It pointed out there are stretch goals we haven't seen yet that will add even more without raising the price.

This would imply that this campaign will be primarily be for people who already love the game and would feel comfortable spending that much on it over the course of a year. But they're going to get it all in one go.

Therefore I have a follow-on prediction: there will be a starter set released in November/December 2023 or possibly as late as 2024 that is somewhere between the price of the Arena of the Planeswalker sets and the old master sets; I'm guessing $40-$100. It will be much smaller, but it will be an entry point, a "gateway drug" to this wonderful game.

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I believe from comments that they've made that we'll also get "Seasons" of new content (starting in 2024, I'm guessing) which will be packs of unique figures, packs of common figures, and new types of terrain.

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EDIT: I think we also must have misunderstood what they meant about accessibility and $400 being too much. I'm guessing they were saying that a RotV sized set would be $400 painted?

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Thanks to @GaryLASQ for all the MSRP prices and release dates.

My prediction was pretty accurate except that there is a less terrain than what I suggested. Overall it's an even better deal than I thought it would be. Some people on the discord suggested that it would be $250 and there would be less terrain to make that a feasible price. Kudos to them!

I'm glad it is not the price I predicted. I think this price is easier to swallow for folks.

[chas]

Scenario Campaigns

It was further revealed during the PulseCon video that there would be "enough scenarios for two campaigns." So 10 each. That and the name of the new terrain types as Laur, now identified as a province in NW Valhalla, points toward more 'historical' scenarios, as I had hoped for upthread.

[GaryLASQ]

Below are my predictions for the Renegade launch; just change where I said 2023 to 2024, and 2024 to 2025.

Originally Posted by GaryLASQ

I'm starting to see the name "Age of Annihilation" as our first overarching annual theme. So, 2023 we get HS:AoA. For this same time next year (2024) it will be something else... HS-???

With sets like SotM and BftU in mind, I'm thinking we will get, for 2023, five Faction Sets. I'm still not quite sure what the options will be for assortment/packaging, but I think the term "faction set" will enter into our HS lexicon. And each faction set will have some campaign scenarios, just like SotM and BftU. (Hmm, would each FS start out as a Haslab project?)

Heroscape: Age of Annihilation (2023)
- The Dawnraider Syndicate Faction Set (Feb?)
- The Ironclad Collective Faction Set (Apr?)
- The Dryan Lifeborne Order Faction Set (Jun?)
- The Clockwork Combine Faction Set (Aug?)
- The Nemesis War Brood Faction Set (Oct?)

Heroscape: ??? (2024)
- Faction Set 1
- Faction Set 2
- Faction Set 3
- Faction Set 4
- Faction Set 5

If we get faction sets, will they basically always be master sets, with a reasonable number of copies of commons/uncommons based on point-cost and SPs? Will they have enough terrain/commons/uncommons, so that purchasing 1 to 4 of any faction set will satisfy 90% of us? Will faction sets pretty much replace all other types of sets we've seen in the past? OR, will a faction set be one big box, with smaller boxes inside that can also be purchased separately later on, like if/when it gets a retail release? We'll soon find out.

Also, I'm predicting we get some *gasp* cardboard terrain (one side water, other side sandy-beach) with the Dawnraider Syndicate faction set, that looks a lot like (exactly like shape/size-wise?) the cardboard terrain that came with MtG:AotP. Perhaps, if HS:AoA is successful, it will trigger a revival of MtG:AotP, with the idea of some cross-compatibility in mind for the success of both systems.

[Myriadite]

I predict that there will be some minor compatibility issues between the new terrain and existing terrain. In my own collection, I have two RotV sets:

1. One has clearly been in storage for a long time before coming into my hands. The terrain is a rich brown and feels pretty sturdy.
2. The second is the one my brother and I played with for many years. It has definitely been exposed to some sunlight, as the plastic is more faded and feels more fragile. These are the tiles that are more likely to shatter.

Joining the older and newer pieces together is a challenge! The joints are stiff, requiring more force to get them together and take them apart (which requires delicate handling and concentration). Perhaps I am delusional, but it seems like the older, faded terrain has shrunk ever so slightly; the older pieces fit more loosely together. Since the system is designed to interlock, there is not a lot of room for error or deviance. As a result, I can imagine that the freshly-manufactured terrain will pose some slight compatibility challenges for some people with older terrain. Stacking shouldn't be a problem - just the "toothed" joints.

Regardless, this certainly won't stop me from buying a lot more terrain.

[IAmBatman]

Heh, never stopped to wonder if new Heroscape terrain will be compatible with old Heroscape terrain ....