The Book of Secret

[IAmBatman]

Undercosted or overcosted? yea at 120 for public testing.

[Arkham]

Neat design.

Yea

[Lord Pyre]

This passes, thanks!

[Lord Pyre]

Here's Alex's tests. Two decent wins but not much useful info to be gleaned. I'll let him know to include some more.

Originally Posted by AlexH12

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Secret

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Secret(120), Speedy(80), Speedy(90), Lagoon Boy(90), Kid Flash(110), Nightwing(200), Starfire(210), Superboy(240) Total:1,140; Fantastic Four and Iceman Total: 1150

Spoiler Alert!

Secret’s obsessive jealousy came into play a couple of times, but didn’t have a huge impact on the game. I didn’t get much out of her in this test.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Nightwing(unwounded), Speedy Mia Dearden(one wound), and Lagoon Boy(two wounds).

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Secret(120), Robin(70), Huntress(170), Azrael(170), Domino(225), Scarlet Spider(245) Total:1000; Kingpin(220), Bullseye(175), Elektra(170), Doctor Octopus(215), Rhino(220) Total:1000

Spoiler Alert!

Secret made it to the end of the game! I was really happy with her performance in this test. The combination of all of her abilities seemed to really cripple my opponent. I really liked the combo with Secret subtracting a defense die from an opponent’s character and Azrael attacking with 6 dice twice and making an unblockable hit when he deals any wounds.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Domino(unwounded), Scarlet Spider and Secret(two wounds).

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Secret’s powers make up for her lower attack and life. I believe that her cost is great for a good support hero on your team. I will totally use her again once she is released!

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I really like the way Secret plays. When pairing her with the right team, I think she can be pretty tough to beat with her powers. I was wondering if there should be some sort of extra thing that happens when her obsession is destroyed, maybe she rolls two unblockable attack die? I’m not sure if that would be very balanced, but it’s just an idea.

[IAmBatman]

It's my plan to run these tonight.

[IAmBatman]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: SECRET
VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = SECRET
SECRET IDENTITY = GRETA HAYES

SPECIES = UNDEAD
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TITAN
PERSONALITY = NAIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 120

OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY
At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. If Secret’s Obsession receives one or more wounds from an opponent's attack, place Secret on an empty space adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. Immediately after placing Secret this way, roll an unblockable attack die against each figure adjacent to Secret, other than her Obsession.

INTANGIBILITY
Secret can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Secret cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight.

IMPOSING PRESENCE
Opponent's figures engaged with Secret subtract 1 die from their normal Attack number and 1 die from their Defense number, to a minimum of 1 die each.

FLYING

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Wonder Girl (II) (200), Arsenal (190), Robin (Tim Drake) (II) (150), Secret (120), Wonder Girl (Donna) (140) (800) vs (OUTLAW JUSTICE) Catman (170), Deadshot (150), Scandal Savage (200), Ragdoll (100), Red Hood (180) (800)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Catman chooses Cassie as his Prey. Secret chooses Robin as her Secret Obsession. Robin reveals the “X.” Young Justice Attack Plan is active.
Initiative Outlaws. Scandal Savage has Deadshot advance four spaces. He plops Ragdoll in front of him.
Arsenal goes. Robin advances. Arsenal advances.
Deadshot shoots at Robin, but Robin blocks.
Donna goes. Robin advances. Robin puts two wounds on Deadshot. Donna advances.
Deadshot Sniper Targets Donna, but fails to hit.
Cassandra goes. Catman advances Robin chooses Deadshot for Tactical Deduction and moves to height, then puts a wound on Deadshot. Cassie advances. Arsenal fails an attack on Deadshot. Cassie advances.

Round 2: Robin reveals the “X.” Initiative Outlaws. Deadshot advances, engaging Robin with Ragdoll, but rolls poorly and can’t hit Donna. (Hit Anything that Moves didn’t hit either).
Cassie goes. Catman advances. Robin uses Tactical Deduction on Ragdoll and attacks him from height. Ragdoll blocks the attack. Cassie advances. Arsenal KO’s Deadshot. Cassie engages Ragdoll. Cassie hits Ragdoll for a wound.
Red Hood advances and whiffs an attack on Cassie.
Arsenal goes. Robin KO’s Ragdoll from height. Arsenal advances and pings Catman for a wound.
Catman engages Cassie and takes a Hit Anything That’s Moving wound. Catman hits Cassie for a wound. Red Hood takes height and blasts Cassie for three wounds.
Donna goes. Robin hits Catman for three wounds from height. Donna advances and lassoes Catman for three Hit Anything That’s Moving attempts (one hits). She hits Catman for two wounds.


Round 3: Robin reveals the “X.” Initiative Outlaws. Catman KO’s Cassie. Red Hood hits Arsenal for a wound from height.
Cassie had OM1.
Red Hood hits Arsenal for a wound.
Arsenal goes. Robin uses Tactical Deduction and hits Red Hood for a wound. Arsenal fails to Bolas Red Hood, then subtracts one from Catman’s defense (lowering it to zero when combined with Donna) and KO’s him.
Red Hood KO’s Arsenal.
Donna is feeling her Empathy and goes. Robin takes a wound from Evade and Counter. Donna lassoes Red Hood and he Evades and Counters her for a wound.

Round 4: Robin reveals the “X.” Initiative Outlaws. Red Robin engages Donna, but can’t hit her.
Donna goes. Robin takes another Evade and Counter wound. Donna KO’s Red Hood.
Red Hood had OM2.
Donna goes. Robin grapples forward. Donna advances.
Scandal Savage engages Donna and KO’s her.
Donna had OM3.

Round 5: Robin reveals the “X.” Initiative Outlaws. Scandal Savage engages Robin, but can’t hit him.
Secret goes. Robin grapples away. Robin uses his Tactical Deduction and attacks Scandal from height. He puts one wound on her. Secret advances.
Scandal whiffs her attack on Robin.
Secret goes. Robin fails an attack on Scandal. Secret advances.
Scandal slashes Robin for a wound, then hits her unblockable to finish him off. Secret’s Obsessive Jealousy triggers and hits adjacent Scandal for a wound.
Secret punches Scandal for a wound.

Round 6: Initiative Secret. She punches out Scandal.

Unit Summary: Secret was the closer in this one. The threat of her made Robin less of a target early and then Robin took a couple of wounds from Evade and Counter, which didn’t trigger Secret’s jealousy. Finally Robin was punched out and she came into thing during end game. Robin’s bonding power works well with her, because she can stay in back and you can still take turns if he’s bonding. That’s much harder to do with someone like Nightwing, who needs proximity for bonding.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted (2) wounds on (Scandal Savage (2))
• OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY: Triggered once and resulted in (1) wound on (Scandal Savage (1))
• INTANGIBILITY: Never really relevant since she stayed in the start zone while the ranged attackers were out.
• IMPOSING PRESENCE: Didn’t come into play until late, but it was certainly helpful in end game versus Scandal Savage.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Secret with Full Life wins.

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VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = SECRET
SECRET IDENTITY = GRETA HAYES

SPECIES = UNDEAD
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TITAN
PERSONALITY = NAIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 120

OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY
At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. If Secret’s Obsession receives one or more wounds from an opponent's attack, place Secret on an empty space adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. Immediately after placing Secret this way, roll an unblockable attack die against each figure adjacent to Secret, other than her Obsession.

INTANGIBILITY
Secret can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Secret cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight.

IMPOSING PRESENCE
Opponent's figures engaged with Secret subtract 1 die from their normal Attack number and 1 die from their Defense number, to a minimum of 1 die each.

FLYING

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Nightwing (200), Speedy (90), Secret (120), Changeling (190), Raven (190), Kid Flash (110) (900) vs (GREAT APES)
Detective Chimp (140), Solovar (260), Gorilla City Warriors (x4) (500) (900) ’

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Secret chooses Raven for her Secret Obsession. Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp picks the “X” on Nightwing. Initiative Simians.
GCWs move up with Solovar.
Speedy advances.
GCWs move up with Solovar.
Changeling goes Stag and advances.
GCWs move up with Solovar.
Titans Go! Raven advances with Kid Flash in tow. Speedy advances and pops a Gorilla City Warrior. Nightwing advances.

Round 2: Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp chooses the “3” on Changeling. Initiative Simians. They engage Speedy and Changeling, but can’t get any hits. Solovar advances.
Speedy fails to hit an adjacent Gorilla City Warrior.
Gorilla City Warriors KO Speedy. Obsessive Jealousy triggers and takes out one Gorilla City Warrior. Gorilla City Warriors immediately KO Secret now that she’s adjacent, then fail an attack on Changeling. Solovar advances.
Titans Go! Changeling goes Panther and KO’s one Gorilla City Warrior. Raven and Nightwing fail to take out the other Gorilla City Warrior.
Gorilla City Warriors hit Changeling for a wound. Solovar Negotiates OM3 off of Changeling, then engage Raven and hit her for a wound.

Round 3: Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp chooses the “2” on Changeling. Initiative Gorilla City Warriors. They attack Changeling but he Rabbits away. Solovar Negotiates Raven and puts one wound on Changeling.
Titans Go! Raven Soul Selfs a wound onto a Gorilla City Warrior. Changeling goes Panther on two Gorilla City Warriors. Nightwing puts a wound on Solovar from height.
Gorilla City Warriors can’t hit Changeling. Solovar can’t hit Raven.
Changeling fails to hit two Gorilla City Warriors.
Gorilla City Warriors hit Changeling for one wound then he Rabbits away. Solovar can’t hit Raven.


Round 4: Detective Chimp picks the “X” on Nightwing. Simians are Inspired. Initiative Titans. Titans Go! Changeling flies next to Raven and goes Panther, KO’ing a GCW but failing to hit Solovar. Raven takes three wounds from Changeling and Soul Selfs one to a Gorilla City Warrior. Nightwing picks off the last Gorilla City Warrior in the scrum.
Gorilla City Warriors advance, but are far away. Solovar Negotiates OM2 off of Changeling and hits Raven for a wound.
Changeling had OM2.
Gorilla City Warriors advance, still out of attack range, and Solovar puts a wound on Raven.
Changeling Ferrets over to the advancing Gorilla City Warriors and fails a Panther attack on them.
Gorilla City Warriors put two wounds on Changeling and Solovar fails to finish Raven.

Round 5: Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp picks the “X” on Nightwing. Initiative Gorilla City Warriors. They put a wound on Changeling before he Rabbits away, then they KO Raven. Solovar can’t hit Changeling.
Titans Go! Kid Flash, Changeling, and Nightwing all fail to get anything done.
Gorilla City Warriors KO Changeling and put two wounds on Kid Flash, then Solovar finishes Kid Flash.
Changeling had OM2.
Gorilla City Warriors can’t hit Nightwing from height disadvantage.
Changeling had OM3.

Round 6: Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp picks the “X” on Nightwing. Initiative Gorilla City Warriors. They attack Nightwing three times and catch him on a whiff for two wounds.
Nightwing KO’s two Gorilla City Warriors with his Escrima.
The last GCW and Solovar both fail to hit Nightwing.
Nightwing finishes the last GCW with his Escrima but can’t touch Solovar.
GCWs had OM3.
Nightwing can’t hit Solovar.

Round 7: Simians are Inspired. Detective Chimp picks the “1” on Nightwing. Initiative Solovar who can’t hit Nightwing.
There’s a lot of back and forth but no wounds for the round.

Round 8: Simians are Inspired and Chimp picks the “3.” Initiative Solovar. Nightwing scores one wound on Solovar over the round.

Round 9: Simians are Inspired. Chimp picks the “2.” Initiative Solovar who catches Nightwing whiffing and finishes it.

Unit Summary: A couple of key initiative turns that could’ve gone the other way swung this. It felt close and balanced overall, though Secret didn’t do much thanks to both Speedy and her being fairly squishy.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Never attacked.
• OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY: She chooses Speedy. He gets taken out in one shot and she gets three rolls for unblockables, but only his 1 Gorilla City Warrior.
• INTANGIBILITY: Never came into play.
• IMPOSING PRESENCE: Low impact since the GCWs had big enough attacks to take her out fast.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Solovar with 3/5 Life and Detective Chimp with Full Life win.

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[Lord Pyre]

Looks good thanks! I want to wait for Zak's tests since Alex's weren't that great. But not anticipating any issues.

[Lord Pyre]

From Zak!

Originally Posted by Zakizzryn

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Secret

Army Test
Map Country Road
Team I
Secret(120) Robin-Tim Drake(120) Nightwing I(200) Batman I(200) Alfred Pennyworth(60) (700)
Team II
Swamp Thing(235) Killer Croc(200) Poison Ivy I(165) Mister Zsasz(100) (700)

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt:
Secret did a total of 4 wound throughout the match
2 wounds through normal attack
2 wounds through Obsessive Jealousy

Obsessive Jealousy
Triggered once when Killer Croc attacked Robin which allowed the Titan team to fully surround him.
Second trigger when Zsasz attacked Robin and was placed adjacent to both Swamp Thing and Zsasz

Imposing Presence
Came into effect against Killer Croc lowering his defense by one while the other Titans let lose a flurry of attacks.
Came into play a second time when having a fight with Zsasz where he missed his attack and Secret landed a normal attack against Zsasz.

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Robin declared as Secret's Obsession
Robin is the first to attack by engaging Killer Croc who successfully blocked the attack. Killer Croc retaliates by attacking Robin triggering Secret's Obsessive Jealousy that wounds Croc.
Nightwing activates Titans GO and with a syncronized flurry the combined efforts of Secret, Robin, and Nightwing, remove Killer Croc from the battle.
Batman flanks on the other side and lets loose a batarang attack that wounds Swamp Thing but is blocked by Ivy. Titan team advances forward which gives Swamp Thing an opportunity to move in and attack Nightwing delivering a punishing blow that takes down Nightwing.
Zsasz moves in and wounds Robin which triggers Secret's Obsessive Jealousy and is placed on a space adjacent to both Swamp Thing and Zsasz wounding Swamp Thing. Alfred activates Remote Field Extraction on Robin.
Swamp Thing attacks Secret, severely wounding her. Batman closes in and attacks Swamp Thing.
Swamp Thing retreats using The Green.
Zsasz attempts to attack Secret but her Imposing Presence makes him fail, Secret retaliates by attacking Zsasz with a normal attack.
Poison Ivy moves closer and successfully uses Plant Animation on Secret taking her out of the fight. Batman lays a beat down on Zsasz and sends him back to Arkham. Alfred's Field Medic activates as Robin moves back into the fight to engage Ivy. Swamp Thing joins back into the fight and destroys Robin.
In the final round Alfred advances forward and fires a Shotgun Blast that wounds both Ivy and Swamp thing. Ivy moves and uses Plant Animation to wound Batman.
Batman lets loose another Batarang attack that delivers the final wound on Swamp Thing. Ivy attempts to use Pheromone Seduction on Batman but fails. Batman then delivers the final wounds on Ivy winning the game.

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Winning Team
Batman 3/4 Wounds Remaining
Alfred Pennyworth 3/3 Wounds Remaining

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Army Test
Map Country Road
Team I
Secret(120) Speedy-Mia Dearden(80) Red Arrow(190) Green Arrow II(210) (600)
Team II
Luke Cage(190) Iron Fist(260) Jewel(150) (600)

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt:
Secret dealt a total of 3 wounds throughout the match.
1 wound with Obsessive Jealousy
2 wounds through normal attack

Obsessive Jealousy
Triggered once when Speedy was attacked and destroyed by Iron Fist.

Imposing Presence
Primarily was used during the combat with Iron Fist and still proved beneficial as the Archers worked together to take him down.

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Speedy declared as Secret's Obsession
First attack of the game comes from Iron Fist who rushes the board and immediately engages Speedy delivering a brutal Force of One punch removing her from the early stages of combat. Secret's Obsessive Jealousy triggers and wounds Iron Fist. Iron Fist uses Focused Chi.
Red Arrow gains the high ground and attacks Iron Fist dealing mild damage, Green Arrow activates Arrow to the Rescue striking another arrow to Iron Fist.
Iron Fist attacks Secret with Force of One that does not deliver the same results as it did with his previous victim. Secret retaliates and attacks Iron Fist.
Jewel advances attacking Red Arrow with a brutal hit. Green Arrow fires an arrow that finally brings down Iron Fist.
Luke Cage advances and punches Red Arrow taking him out of the fight, Jewel advances onto Secret, with her power fluctuations in her favor, taking out Secret.
The super strength teamup of Luke Cage and Jewel was too much for Green Arrow to handle in the end bringing the fight to a rapid end.

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Winning Team
Luke Cage 5/5 Wounds Remaining
Jewel 5/5 Wounds Remaining

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
I really like the potential setups this character can have within Titan and Sidekick teams. Sending her obsession in a attempt to have them trigger Secret I feel is a pretty neat tactic.
Not really familiar with the character but did enjoy playing her.

[Lord Pyre]

3-5 win ratio (Not counting Alex's tests since those are too hard to judge). Looks like the general feel is that she's pretty fun and useful as is, so I'm happy at 120! Of course I'll be playing her more as I finish off the Young Justice crew, so we could always tweak her cost accordingly.

I propose we move to Final Editing at 120!

Pretty sure we hit wording well, also!

[Arch-vile]

yea

[tcglkn]

He did have a question last night that could use clarification in the wording I think. If her Obsession is destroyed do you still have to place her next to them?

Yea, just think we can clarify this via wording.

[Lord Pyre]

Updated with this:

At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. If Secret’s Obsession receives one or more wounds or is destroyed from an opponent's attack, place Secret on an empty space adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. Immediately after placing Secret this way, roll an unblockable attack die against each figure adjacent to Secret, other than her Obsession.