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Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
I really enjoy units like Mika Connour and the GIE that have the ability to affect the terrain itself, so here's an idea for a Granite Guardians champion that has a unique terrain mechanic. I also wanted this to be a better thematic booster for the GGs than Warden 816, but I don't know that I've accomplished that yet.
Note: The card image may be obsolete; please refer to the text below for revisions made based on feedback here. LANDSLIDE THROW If Bjarg has a height advantage on an opponent's figure, it may use Landslide Throw when attacking that figure. Add 2 to Bjarg's range and/or attack. If you add 2 to Bjarg's attack, after attacking you must either place a wound marker on Bjarg or destroy an Elementar you control that is adjacent to Bjarg. GAIN HIGH GROUND 2 After taking a turn with Bjarg, you may move Bjarg up to 2 spaces. These spaces may be up to 4 levels higher. Whenever any Elementar you control is allowed to Gain High Ground, every Elementar you control may use the Gain High Ground power on its own Army Card, in any order. ROCKBITER If Bjarg is unengaged, instead of moving it normally you may choose one adjacent Elementar or single-space rock outcrop. Remove the chosen figure or rock outcrop from the battlefield and remove all wound markers from this Army Card. Rock outcrop bases remain on the battlefield as shadow spaces. Notes:
Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list Last edited by Just_a_Bill; February 13th, 2013 at 10:59 AM. |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
You have some cool ideas here, but there seem to be an awful lot going on. I think you could get away with simplifying these powers some. They all seem to be "do X and/or do Y." What if you reduced two out of the three to do only X or only Y?
Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
Agreed ... my general process is to get down several of what seem like they could be good ideas (actually too many), and then reduce. So I'm looking for feedback on what settles upward and what settles downward.
What I personally like the best are the terrain modification and the two ways to consume GGs; these seem to be basically the reason for this thing to exist. So it seems the two places to trim that would give me the least angst would be the choice between strengthing and healing, and the difference between the auto +1 for adjacent and the optional +2 for hurling something. With those cuts, it would probably go like this: LANDSLIDE THROWThose would be my preference for the first places to cut, but I wanted to see what feedback others had. Some of the either-or choices are an attempt to keep it from being completely terrain-dependent or completely GG-dependent. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
I think I finally understand your intention with the last sentence of Gain High Ground. It's not clear on first reading. What if you break up the two effects (Bjarg using Gain High Ground with the GGs turn and the GGs using GHG with Bjarg's turn) into two separate clauses or sentences?
Can he use Rockbiter on rock tiles that are adjacent to other tiles of the same level? Shouldn't this Quote:
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
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After Bjarg uses Gain High Ground, all other Elementars you control may use the Gain High Ground power on their own army card(s), in any order. After another Elementar you control uses a Gain High Ground power on its own Army Card, Bjarg may use its own Gain High Ground power. No Elementar may Gain High Ground more than once per turn.Any suggestions on a happy medium? Or, help me understand what was misleading about the first attempt and I'll see if I can refine that. The essence of the effect is very simple: "when somebody gains high ground, everybody gains high ground." Quote:
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However, instead of "after taking a turn" I think it should be "after attacking." I wouldn't want him to hurl a Granite Guardian that wasn't actually adjacent to him at the time of the attack, but only showed up afterwards using GHG. Quote:
After I hear your responses on the question I didn't follow and the GHG issue, I'll rework and put up revised texts. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list Last edited by Just_a_Bill; February 7th, 2013 at 04:24 PM. |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
I feel like he'll be pretty high point wise, just based on the fact that with the right drafting, his attack and defense can hit insane heights with Rockbiter. Perhaps cap the amount to 3 or something similar, at that point he would have 7 attack and 9 defense, in which case he could hit for 9 with Landslide.
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
Your changes to Gain High Ground are definitely a step in the right direction. I would be okay with limiting its usefulness a little more in order to simplify the wording, but it's not my design. I'll try to come back later and post the wording I'm thinking of.
Define "rock outcrop" in Heroscape terms. How does a player know what a "rock outcrop" is? Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
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Them's is Heroscape terms. I took "rock outcrop" and "shadow space" directly from the master set 3 rulebook. It doesn't have anything to do with the ubiquitous rock tiles; this term specifically means the gray versions of glaciers that come in the D&D MS. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
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GAIN HIGH GROUND 2Or — even though I hate to chew up more real estate — perhaps this: GAIN HIGH GROUND 2 Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list |
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Re: Just_a_Bill's customs - Bjarg (a GG champion Elementar)
Excellent custom. Bjarg drips with theme and looks like a really fun way to play the GGs. The figure looks great (and really tall! Don't throw him at me--he looks heavy).
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ROCK MARCHMove your whole army fast and attack with Bjarg, or get 3 attacks with the GGs? Quote:
ROCKBITERI, personally, wouldn't limit it to single-space rock outcrops. It is probably more balanced with the limit, but removing a 3-hex rock and creating a new path just sounds like too much fun. |
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