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C3G Legacy Library This is the archive for all the designs released in the original era of C3G. Feel free to post any figure specific questions in their individual books.


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Old May 7th, 2019, 12:24 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

Punk is cool. I could see some older Chaos Comics characters using that class too.
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Old May 7th, 2019, 01:15 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

Punk seems pretty good. Be sure to test him with Star-Lord as Slayer pairing means there can be extra activations in a Star-Lord build.

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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

With close to 850 designs completed now, I only favor re-using personalities as much as possible when we are not trying to build a new faction around it. Creates more cross over fun potential at some point, if not right away, while leaving the unused personality available for a later faction that needs a specific synergy web. Punk and Rebel seem fairly similar to me, one might consider themselves a rebel, while someone else just thinks the same person is a punk. As such my vote here is for B.
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Old May 7th, 2019, 08:29 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

Aha! The first actual vote!

I guess right now we're at

A. Punk - 4 (MrNobody, Scapemage, LP, Bats)
B. Rebel - 2 (Yodaking, johnny)
C. ??? - 0
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Old May 7th, 2019, 08:30 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

If none of the C's take, I'll go A, Punk.

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Old May 7th, 2019, 08:33 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

I haven't heard a C I'm really willing to embrace yet, no.

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Old May 8th, 2019, 09:15 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

I'll leave a little more time for a push for Rebel, but it looks like we're favoring Punk.

I think I'm leaning Rebel myself, though.

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Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.

No issues.

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.

Only one of him, so everything checks out.

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.

Dust is still settling on the class here. Species and personality are both reuses and check out, though.

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.

Don't have the mini on hand, but Manchester Black's card claims it's Medium 5 and it sounds plausible to me.

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.

They're not and they don't.

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.

All good.

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.

We did get that question about what happens when Sucker Punch destroys a figure. Probably worth FAQing that, but it's not really a new phenomenon - many other figures have powers that can result in a targeted figure no longer being targetable.

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.

All good.

There isn't a particularly close analog for Sucker Punch, to my knowledge, and Undying Dedication definitely isn't re-treading old ground. Healing has the same text as Angel's version and Gamora's version.


Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

We'll have to see how he shakes out, but I think he compares nicely to Angel and Buffy.
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Old May 8th, 2019, 09:39 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

I'm not strong on my preference. If you like Rebel, I'm happy to back that too.

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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

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I'm not strong on my preference. If you like Rebel, I'm happy to back that too.
Ditto.
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Old May 8th, 2019, 10:47 PM
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

Competitive checklist

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  1. Does the design disrupt opponent's Order Markers in a way that offers a net gain in turns taken with strong figures versus the turns your opponent can take with strong figures (Ozymandias, Joker (I), Meteorite)?
    No.
  2. Does the design offer auto-wounding that either doesn't require taking turns or is otherwise extremely efficient (War Machine, Jason Voorhees, Cosmic Cube)?
    Yes. Sort of. You have to take a turn to trigger Sucker Punch, but not necessarily a turn with Spike. Sucker Punch's efficiency is definitely something to keep an eye on in testing. It's a big part of his hook and it doesn't strike me as troubling for his intended point arena, though.
  3. Does the design immobilize figures or prevent turn-taking (Blob, Spider-Girl, Diablo, Green Lantern Alan)?
    No.
  4. Does the design move opponent's figures in a way that's easy to pull off and can move figures multiple spaces in multiple directions (Graviton, Magneto, Vulture)?
    Not in any way whatsoever.
  5. Does the design allow for moving friendly figures without taking turns, or for moving 2+ friendly figures while still taking a turn (Martian Manhunter [I], Green Lantern John, Angel)?
    Only moves himself without taking a turn - limited by only triggering during his one chosen Hero's turn.
  6. Does the figure allow for two figures, one of them being a wide range of possible figures, to both attack on a single Order Marker (Zombie, Robot, Iron Patriot, Ms. Marvel, Rocket [II], Martian Manhunter [II], Nebula, Baby Groot, Havok)?
    No.
  7. Does the design offer any sort of passive boost outside of a narrow set of figures (Star-Lord, Sage, Brainiac 5, Captain America, Batman [III])?
    No.
  8. Does the design help keep your allies alive just by being nearby (Daring Decoy, Aaron Cash, Jocasta, Weather Wizard)?
    No.
  9. Is it OK for the design to have defensive abilities that could make it essentially unkillable in some matchups or endgame situations (Cosmic Cube, Healing Factor, Master Martial Artist)?
    N/A
  10. If the figure has auto-destroy powers or powers that can force the opponent's figures to attack each other, are they balanced for strong opposing figures and/or boosts that can make the powers more reliable (Puppet Master, Psycho-Man, Enchantress)?
    No such powers.
  11. Is the figure likely to earn its value many times over by either running out alone at the start of a battle (pre-eval Crow, Solomon Grundy) or by sitting in the startzone until the end of a battle (Arnim Zola, Silk Spectre)?
    No.
  12. Will synergies in the design create concerns for future designs (Mad Thinker, pre-eval Enchantress, Star-Lord)?
    Seems unlikely.
  13. Does the design combo particularly well with one of the design concerns above (Magma)?
    Not that I can see.
The out-of-turn auto-wounding is really the only thing that registers, but I think it has some pretty significant limiters in place already, and isn't particularly worrying on a figure in the upper 100s.
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Re: The Book of Spike (Design)

Okay, updated the SP with Rebel.

Proposing we send Spike to initial.
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Re: The Book of Spike (VOTE for Initial)

yea

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