Public Design Workshop

[MrNobody]

I’ll be honest, I liked MSoE a lot. The idea of having a leader design that worked off of the opponent’s figure was super interesting to me. I’d much rather have that than the ability to switch hosts.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

I’ll be honest, I liked MSoE a lot. The idea of having a leader design that worked off of the opponent’s figure was super interesting to me. I’d much rather have that than the ability to switch hosts.

Agreed - I was looking forward to a villainous leader who wasn't an OM hog. Gives the likes of Graviton, Baron Mordo and Gorilla Grodd more pseudo-thematic viable builds.

[LordVenoc]

Hey, if people like that better I got no problem with that. I'd probably make it to where you could chose an opponent's or a friendly.

Making it something like this:

NAME = Mister Mind
SECRET IDENTITY = ???
SPECIES = VENUSIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TELEPATH
PERSONALITY = MANIPULATIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = TINY

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS =

CONQUERING PARASITE
At the start of the game, after each player has placed their figures on the battlefield, you may choose one Unique Hero in play to be Mister Mind’s Host and place Mister Mind on the chosen figure’s Army Card. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on Mister Mind’s Army Card, you may roll the 20-sided die, adding 13 to the roll if Mister Mind's Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of Mister Mind’s Host and immediately take a turn with the chosen Hero. At the end of that turn, control of the chosen Hero returns to the player who previously controlled the Hero. All Order Markers that were on the chosen Hero's card will stay on the card. If Mister Mind’s Host is destroyed, immediately after removing his Host from the Battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by his Host. Mister Mind and Mister Mind’s Host have the Class of Conqueror, in addition to the Class printed on its card.

THE MONSTER SOCIETY OF EVIL
If a figure you control in clear sight of Mister Mind or Mister Mind’s Host receives one or more Wounds, for the remainder of the round all figures you control move two extra spaces and do not receive any leaving engagement attacks.

TINY STEALTH
Mister Mind cannot be targeted by non-adjacent figures and only takes leaving engagement attacks from Tiny figures.

Yeah, that doesn't help the text count. Anyone see ways to make it trimmable?

[johnny139]

Here's a shot. First, the original version:

CONQUERING PARASITE
At the start of the game, after each player has placed their figures on the battlefield, you may choose one Unique Hero in another player’s Start Zone to be Mister Mind’s Host and place Mister Mind on the chosen figure’s Army Card. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on Mister Mind’s Army Card, you may roll the 20-sided die, adding 13 to the roll if Mister Mind's Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of Mister Mind’s Host and immediately take a turn with the chosen Hero. At the end of that turn, control of the chosen Hero returns to the player who previously controlled the Hero. All Order Markers that were on the chosen Hero's card will stay on the card. If Mister Mind’s Host is destroyed, immediately after removing his Host from the Battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by his Host. Mister Mind and Mister Mind’s Host have the Class of Conqueror, in addition to the Class printed on its card.

Here's a trimmed rewrite:

CONQUERING PARASITE
Before the first round, you may choose a Unique Hero in another player's start zone to be the Host. Place Mister Mind on the Host's Army Card; they both have the class of Conqueror in addition to the class printed on their cards. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add 13 to the roll if the Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of the Host and take a turn with it. All Order Markers that are on the Host's card remain on its card and, at the end of that turn, its control returns to the player who previously controlled it. If the Host is destroyed, immediately after removing it from the battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by the Host.

Here's a possible split if there's room - I kind of doubt it?

CONQUERING PARASITE
Before the first round, you may choose a Unique Hero in another player's start zone to be the Host. Place Mister Mind on the Host's Army Card; they both have the class of Conqueror in addition to the class printed on their cards.

MENTAL DEMAND
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add 13 to the roll if the Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of and take a turn with the Host. All Order Markers that are on the Host's card remain on its card and, at the end of that turn, its control returns to the player who previously controlled it. If the Host is destroyed, immediately after removing it from the battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by the Host.

[LordVenoc]

Would the verbiage of swapping "in another player's start zone" to "in play" work for allowing choices from both armies? As is, we definitely can drop the friendly figure part, as there's no way to have your own figure if we don't swap to choosing any.

I don't know that we need to have your own as an option, as that may jack up his points a whole lot to give any hero Conqueror synergies.

EDIT: This is what it looks like with the split. The text is definitely down to a more appropriate level:

NAME = Mister Mind
SPECIES = VENUSIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TELEPATH
PERSONALITY = MANIPULATIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = TINY

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS =

CONQUERING PARASITE
Before the first round, you may choose a Unique Hero in play to be the Host. Place Mister Mind on the Host's Army Card; they both have the class of Conqueror in addition to the class printed on their cards.

MENTAL DEMAND
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add 13 to the roll if the Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of and take a turn with the Host. All Order Markers that are on the Host's card remain on its card and, at the end of that turn, its control returns to the player who previously controlled it. If the Host is destroyed, immediately after removing it from the battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by the Host.

THE MONSTER SOCIETY OF EVIL
If a figure you control in clear sight of Mister Mind or Mister Mind’s Host receives one or more Wounds, for the remainder of the round all figures you control move two extra spaces and do not receive any leaving engagement attacks.

TINY STEALTH
Mister Mind cannot be targeted by non-adjacent figures and only takes leaving engagement attacks from Tiny figures.

[Ronin]

Could you trim Tiny Stealth to save space on that version? It'd add a little more tension to when he pops out on the battlefield, and he'll be on someone's card a lot of the time anyway.

[Tornado]

Yeah, you could always bump up his Defense another point to make up for it.

[LordVenoc]

Word count wise, its actually at a much more acceptable level text-wise already. When you add that size-wise he's probably not quite at the level of the microscopic folks we tend to give Tiny Stealth to, I think dropping that could be done if people are in favor of that.

[IAmBatman]

Seems like a reasonable cut.

[LordVenoc]

This might be the spot then:

NAME = MISTER MIND
SPECIES = VENUSIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TELEPATH
PERSONALITY = MANIPULATIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL 2

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS =

CONQUERING PARASITE
Before the first round, you may choose a Unique Hero in play to be the Host. Place Mister Mind on the Host's Army Card; they both have the class of Conqueror in addition to the class printed on their cards.

MENTAL DEMAND
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add 13 to the roll if the Host is a friendly figure. If you roll 14 or higher, take temporary control of and take a turn with the Host. All Order Markers that are on the Host's card remain on its card and, at the end of that turn, its control returns to the player who previously controlled it. If the Host is destroyed, immediately after removing it from the battlefield, place Mister Mind on a space previously occupied by the Host.

THE MONSTER SOCIETY OF EVIL
If a figure you control in clear sight of Mister Mind or the Host receives one or more Wounds, for the remainder of the round all figures you control move two extra spaces and do not receive any leaving engagement attacks.

I do see now that Arthrian Invaders will always get their boost and bonding with Mind, as they don't require clear sight and they go before him, so he can always go for the control on his turn. He will provide that bonding power to anyone he is controlling on either side. The only real synergy provided from him giving his host Conqueror comes from Soundwave, so whether or not he makes the Host Conqueror will basically be up to how much we want to open up Conqueror synergies.

[MrNobody]

Wouldn’t the Arthrians block Mental Demand with the “No additional turns” clause? I like him making the Host a Conqueror, but it’s one of those things where I think it’s probably first on the chopping block if we need to cut something.

[LordVenoc]

Yeah that definitely blocks it. Way to have the basic reading skills I obviously lack!

If we keep it as foe Host only, I'd want to change the language to move and attack with, as I love the idea there, especially since it will require a roll, and it can open up that sort of space for future MSoE members working well with him. I think its too much of a hoop to jump through to allow it with your own units as well.