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Old March 23rd, 2023, 09:41 PM
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
Sounds like we want to put it on Emma and leave it off Jean, based on what you and Bats are saying. Eh, I can live with that!
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
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Sounds like we want to put it on Emma and leave it off Jean, based on what you and Bats are saying. Eh, I can live with that!
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
Cool. Carry on with the voting then.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
yea

Wording looks good. I'd go with "Order Marker X" instead of "an Order Marker X", but I get the reasoning for going with the latter.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
I do know it's been a plot thing in the books a few times where they had to get her out of her diamond form for Chuck to do something...not pushing for it but it would be a cool interplay when it comes up.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
I think Nobody was asking for her to lose Mental Shield in addition to Telepath when switching to Side B. I don't know enough about the comic lore to weigh in there. Does the Diamond form just prevent her from projecting her mental powers outward (thus losing the Telepath keyword, Psychic Surgery, & Neural Jumpstart), but remain in place internally (mental shield stays) to defend her mind from attacks? I'm guessing maybe so as that would make sense to me.

I guess my questions about how we are using Mental Shield in 2.0 was related to Psychic Surgery. If in a mirror match, I would think her own Mental Shield power would prevent the other Emma Frost from performing Psychic Surgery on her. The decision here would impact other types of 'mental' attacks. Chuck's Telepathic Blast SA is blocked by Mental Shield in 1.0, are we dropping that? Same with the Stepford Cuckoo's SA. Or maybe I'm not understanding what Psychic Surgery represents. Is it not an attack on the mind?
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
Psychic Surgery isn't prevented by MS. The debate was on if she should have MS on her non-Diamond form or not, not the Diamond form which absolutely should have it. I believe we've settled that.

Just need 1 vote here.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
To be honest...I'm not even sure I know what Mental Shield means in the grand scheme anymore. It was once a take control prevent and for things like Jugs and Magneto's helmets which got them around Professor X's nuke. But we've sort of branched out quite a bit if you look at the list...so it really makes it hard to argue one way or the other.

I will say I don't think every Telepath should have it though.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
Mental Shield = Magneto’s helmet = totally immune to all telepathy/mental stuff. At least in 1.0 we’ve been pretty consistent about that.
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Mental Shield = Magneto’s helmet = totally immune to all telepathy/mental stuff. At least in 1.0 we’ve been pretty consistent about that.
Hence my question about Psychic Surgery here. It seems to have been missed in 1.0.

Agree that not every Telepath should get Mental Shield, but some should and I support Emma getting it here.
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Re: Emma Frost - Vote 4 Final Editing
Yeah I'd support Psychic Surgery getting that carveout. (And an Inorganic one?)
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When a figure within 4 spaces of Emma Frost that does not have Mental Shield (or the Inorganic keyword?) would receive 1+ wounds, you may reveal an Order Marker X on this card. If you do, you may choose for that figure to either ignore 1 of those wounds, or take 1 additional wound.
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