I'm gay

[rednax]

Originally Posted by Aldin

Playing it up because you realize the original wasn't bad enough to make your point? Here's how it would have read as a "slur" against Christianity:

If you think this board wouldn't tolerate that post you are dreaming.

~Aldin, neutrally

That might be fine if it was just a typical thread about religion. However, this is Sujoah's thread. I don't think MoD's original post in this thread is any worse than someone posting your version in a thread of someone who had just found Christ. Even if you think that, it is very rude to post it in a thread meant to celebrate it.

And like dok said, it changes when you go from an "out" group to an "in group."

~Rednax

[Sport351]

Like I said in the Hangout, you've got my, and that of many others, support, Sujoah.

I've never understood the discrimination that people face for something such as sexual orientation. Whether or not your religion forbids something, why would you care if someone else chooses (or doesn't have a choice) to do something that has no impact on you whatsoever? So what if someone is homosexual? It is simply what someone finds attractive. It no more defines someone than someone's being straight does.

[Einar's puppy]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't fine what he said offensive. Incredibly ignorant and hateful, but not offensive. This is partly because he used double negatives and never capitalized an I, so I know he's just trollin.

[LilMoochie]

This is a little absurd on so many levels. Being gay is not like anything. It's like being gay. Replacing one offensive moniker for another in an already-incendiary tirade doesn't advance this conversation. There's plenty of ethnic pejoratives left though...

This whole thread from the title on down is kind of absurd. Instead of post labeled "My News" or something appropriately demure that your friends would read, it's labelled in such a way as to be a lightning rod for every slack-jawed trogloditic moron with a will to post. (myself included ) It's tantamount to standing up in the middle of a crowded Walmart and broadcasting the same thing. Sure, everyone in a WalMart shares your interest in WalMart, but we're still strangers. You may have friends in the Walmart, but they are not your friends because they are in the WalMart.


If like gay people, that's great.
If you hate gay people, give me your Sacred Band.

Regardless of whom you like and dislike, be polite.

[MrWookiee]

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

Because it was not offensive to EVERYBODY, so therefore it must keep getting changed in order too.

I see. Well actually I don't. Why can't we just agree that it was offensive to some but not others? Why does it have to include everybody? I thought it was offensive and rude, and so did Ollie. That's our opinion. Haven't we decided that we are all entitled to one?

[Chardar]

Originally Posted by kolakoski

Well met!

Also, he is comparing the assumption that homosexuals have a choice about their sexual preference with the assumption that obese people have a choice not to be. Both assume a weakness of character. But weakness of character in the subject of abuse does not justify rudeness, let alone bigotry. Just to be clear, the assumptions about gays and obese people and character made above are for the sake of argument only.

I personally don't believe that gays have any more choice in their orientation than straight people. I didn't instantly "choose" that I like girls. I always have, and I don't see why it should be any different for gays. The only difference is that it takes a lot more guts to admit to being gay, and I respect them for it.

That said there is two sides to the issue. I agree that gays should be treated equally, but I don't think that they need any more special treatment than anyone else.

[Greyelephant]

Originally Posted by MrWookiee

I see. Well actually I don't. Why can't we just agree that it was offensive to some but not others? Why does it have to include everybody? I thought it was offensive and rude, and so did Ollie. That's our opinion. Haven't we decided that we are all entitled to one?

At whose expense?

My main beef is with the constant changing of the original text into saying something that it simply does not just so we can inflame others who might of otherwise not cared.

Ollie stated he was offended and didn't seem to need to continue for 6 more pages expressing why he was.

[MrWookiee]

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

At whose expense?

My main beef is with the constant changing of the original text into saying something that it simply does not just so we can inflame others who might of otherwise not cared.

Ollie stated he was offended and didn't seem to need to continue for 6 more pages expressing why he was.

amen.

[dok]

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

Because it was not offensive to EVERYBODY, so therefore it must keep getting changed in order too.

That's true in a sense, GE, but you seem to be missing the point that people are trying to make.

For someone who thinks homosexuals should be as immune from public scorn for being homosexual as black people are for being black (or Jews are for being Jewish, ad nauseum), that is how it read the first time. The fact that you would have found the comment offensive if it were about race in stead of sexuality is the point.

We're not trying to convince you to be that offended - or at least, I'm not. We're trying to make you understand how those who feel that being homosexual is acceptable see this comment, and why we think it's an offensive thing to say in a public forum.

This sub-thread would have died out a while ago (certainly, without any analogies being drawn) if others hadn't come in to argue with the people who were offended.

[Greyelephant]

Originally Posted by dok

That's true in a sense, GE, but you seem to be missing the point that people are trying to make.

For someone who thinks homosexuals should be as immune from public scorn for being homosexual as black people are for being black (or Jews are for being Jewish, ad nauseum), that is how it read the first time. The fact that you would have found the comment offensive if it were about race in stead of sexuality is the point.

We're not trying to convince you to be that offended - or at least, I'm not. We're trying to make you understand how those who feel that being homosexual is acceptable see this comment, and why we think it's an offensive thing to say in a public forum.

This sub-thread would have died out a while ago (certainly, without any analogies being drawn) if others hadn't come in to argue with the people who were offended.

Why am I to be offended?

Am I wrong to think that if Sujoah was man enough to create this thread in the first place, then he can speak for himself?

Why does everybody else seem to be more offended than him?

Why does it seem necessary for you to continue to change the context of the OP? To prove a point? So that everybody thinks or sees it like you do?

It's pointless.

[dok]

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

Why am I to be offended?

Originally Posted by dok

We're not trying to convince you to be that offended - or at least, I'm not. We're trying to make you understand how those who feel that being homosexual is acceptable see this comment, and why we think it's an offensive thing to say in a public forum.

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

Am I wrong to think that if Sujoah was man enough to create this thread in the first place, then he can speak for himself?

Why does everybody else seem to be more offended than him?

Sujoah can speak for himself, and so can I. I'm entitled to my opinion about whether a comment about homosexuals is offensive even though I'm not homosexual. And if I'm reading Aldin's signoff correctly, Sujoah did report MoD's original post.

[BassistofDoom]

Originally Posted by Einar's puppy

AS I said in the hangout thread very clearly, I'm really happy for you. I don't see "so what?" as the acceptable answer though.

"So what?" implies that it's nothing to get all excited about positively or negatively. The way I see it, this is awesome. Congratulations would be a better response!

I think "so what?" is the best response because it shows that the person doesn't see it as anything unusual and won't think of the person any differently. I think it's best that it doesn't imply any excitement about the situation. You have guts though Sujoah. It might have been better to put this in a blog, but it took a lot of courage to say that.

~BassistofDoom, completely ignoring the argument going on