The Book of Poison Ivy (II)

[Arkham]

I'm good with whichever really. Whatever seems cleaner and clearer. Like I said, spacing is not an issue.

[Viegon]

Originally Posted by Arkham

Question on the "While Poison Ivy is in play" bit. Aren't powers only good while the figure is alive, unless otherwise stated?

Originally Posted by Ronin

Technically yes, but we sometimes clarify it when there isn't some requirement (like clear sight or OMs or whatever) that makes it obvious that the figure has to be in play.

What Ronin said. Not strictly needed, but it reads best with it in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Ronin

• Q: In Mother Nature, what exactly does it mean that a figure's "entire normal movement consists of grass and swamp spaces"?
• A: It works just like the road movement bonus. In order for a figure's entire movement to consist of grass and swamp spaces, the figure has to start on a grass or swamp space and only move onto grass or swamp spaces for its entire movement, including the additional move granted by Mother Nature.

Perfect.

Originally Posted by japes

By some people he mainly means me. I think it was SirG that convinced me that it doesn't look right with only two options which went well with my dislike for bullets because I always needing to look up exactly how to get the bullets right on the card. But now it's second nature so it doesn't bother me as much and here it may be helpful to keep it clear if we have the space.

Well, yes, you were the first to come to mind.

But I believe a couple of the other Heroes likewise have reservations about using bullets. You may want to put it to a poll (or just go with whatever you prefer).

[Arkham]

Tried both on the card, I'm thinking no bullet points looks better. I think we've cleaned it up enough and got rid of the unnecessary parts to the power, to where it looks and reads nicely as-is.

[Tornado]

- Theme Test - Pass - I thought she was well represented.
- Mirror Test - Pass
- Bonding Test - Pass
- Synergies Test Pass
- Power Check - Pass - Cool auto-wounding powers and useful static powers to boot.
- Fun Test - Pass
- Fun Competitive Test - Pass!
- Drafting Test - Pass
- Usage Test - Pass - Powers are army and map dependent.
- Strategy Test - Pass! - She can mess with where your opponent's placement as they try to seek out 'safe' spaces .

Name Of The Playtest Unit: Poison Ivy (vII)

Army Test 1
Map: Custom: 12x16 all grass. Two 7hex(level 2). Jungle x9. Evergreen x1. Small House x2(base map hexes played as 'no designated terrain'.

Armies:
Ivy(II){175}, King Pin{220}. Merlyn{160} & Bad Cops{55}{610 total} vs. Luke Cage, Spider-Man{250} & Tygra{610 total}

Spoiler Alert!

Overview of Poison Ivy’s performance:
Damage inflicted through normal attacks: 0
Damage inflicted through Plant Animation: 2 wounds(3 attempts) on Luke Cage(destroyed).
Damage inflicted through Toxic Love: 2(6 attempts) wounds on Spidey.
Wounds healed through Toxic Love: 3
Movements helped through Mother Nature: +2 for Ivy and Merlyn. Extra Extra Defense dice from Mother Nature: 2 for King Pin, 7 for Poison Ivy.

R1: Spidey swings around the front of a Small House while Luke Cage lumbers around the back, careful to maintain eye contCT(LoS) through the windows and to stop on one of the few spaces not within 2 of a Tree. Merlyn takes high ground via Mother Nature(+2) and unable to get a bead on Cage decides not to attack Spidey. King Pin strolls behind the closest Small House. Tygra moves through a House and emerges next to Cage who sprints across open ground to the side of the other House. Meryln moves and wounds Tygra from high ground. KP retreats from corner of a House. Merlyn destroys Tygra(3x2 skulls). KP waits. Spidey swings up to high ground near Merlyn and 3wounds Ivy(0shields). Cage engages KP and a Bad Cop, 2wounds KP. Ivy retreats to the back corner of her SZ and uses PA12 Spidey[3] & LC[13], and heals via Toxic Love[18]. KP wounds LC.

R2: Spidey swings down and misses KP. LC wounds KP. Merlyn wounds LC. KP wounds LC. Spidey misses KP. LC wounds KP. Ivy destroys LC with PA12[15] and heals with Toxic Love[12]. KP misses Spidey who hides from Meryln behind a House and destroys KP. Ivy is lifted in via Mother Nature[+2 spaces] and pursues Spidey, and heals to full with Toxic Love[12].

R3: Spidey swings in and wounds Ivy(1shield), Ivy misses Spidey with TL[9]. Spidey misses Ivy(1shield). Ivy misses Spidey with TL[11]. Spidey wounds Ivy(1shield). Ivy wounds Spidey, TL[18].

R4: Ivy misses Spidey, TL[6]. Spidey misses Ivy(1shield). Ivy misses Spidey, TL[2]. Spidey wounds Ivy(1shield). Ivy misses Spidey, TL[2]. Spidey wounds Ivy(1shield).

R5: Ivy wounds Spidey, TL[20]. Spidey blanks. Merlyn misses Spidey who misses Ivy. Merlyn moves [MN+2], misses Spidey who destroys Ivy.

R6: Spidey KOs BC. Merlyn 2wouns Spidey. Spidey KOs BC. Merlyn misses Spidey who misses. Merlyn KOs Spidey.

Who won: Merlyn (Full)

A death shot on Tygra got this going the wrong right way early for Team Ivy. She could not get the Toxic Love rolling on Spidey or this may have been closer.

Army Test 2
Map: Custom: 12x16 all grass. Two 7hex(level 2). Jungle x9. Evergreen x1. Small House x2(base map hexes played as 'no designated terrain'.

Armies;
Ivy(185), Floronic Man(135), Iron Man(150), Rocket Racoon(175), War Machine(270), Bucky(60) & Skrull Infiltrator(x3){995} vs. F4

Spoiler Alert!

Overview of Poison Ivy’s performance:
Damage inflicted through normal attacks: 0
Damage inflicted through Plant Animation(including one activation from Floronic Man): 1 wound(5 attempts) on Thing, 0 wounds(5 attempts) on Human Torch, 3 wounds(5 attempts) on Invisible Woman.
Damage inflicted through Toxic Love: None.
Wounds healed through Toxic Love: 2(2 attempts, destroyed) on Mr. Fantastic, 0(1 attempt) on Thing.
Movements helped through Mother Nature: +2 for Poison Ivy.
Extra Defense dice from Mother Nature: 3 on Mother Russia, 1 on The Hood, 1 on Bucky, 1 on Poison Ivy.

R1: Reed and Sue move to the back of a House. RR takes a spot on high ground. HT joins Reed and Sue. Bucky moves behind a House, War Machine flies over to join him and wounds Reed. Thing joins the group. IM flies next to WM and moves Bucky to the front.

R2: RR moves next to WM(the four figures are taking up key spaces that are not within two of a Tree) and 2wounds Reed. HT flies in and takes a wound from (ACG) and Supernova's; WM 3wounds, RR 2wounds, Bucky 2 wounds, IM 2wounds, Thing(wound from ACG) Clobbers Bucky(destroyed and replaced with a SI), Sue moves in and misses WM, Reed hangs back. War Machine wounds HT. Thing Clobbers IM(OM3, replaced with a SI), Reed waits.

R3: Thing takes a swipe and Clobbers WM(replaced with last SI), Reed hangs back. FM engages Thing, grows a Tree and uses PA12; wounds Thing(16) and Sue(20), misses HT(7). Thing misses FM, Reed wounds FM. Ivy moves in with a little help from Mother Nature(+2) and uses (PA12); wounds Sue(16), misses Thing(6) and HT(2). Thing 4wounds FM. Ivy engages Reed, (PA12); wounds Sue(20), misses Thing( and HT(5), and wounds Reed with Toxic Love(12).

R4: Thing KOs FM. Ivy (PA12); 3 misses(10,6,3), (TL); KOs Reed(13). Thing takes a swipe and 3wounds Ivy(1shield). Ivy (PA12); 3 misses(8,10,11), (TL); misses Thing(10). Thing KOs Ivy(1shield). RR takes a swipe and wounds HT and Sue, KOs two SI.

R5: RR wounds HT, KOs Sue. Thing takes a swipe, KOs RR. Thing KOs SI.

Who won: Thing 4/6, Human Torch 3/6 no powers.

Skulls were flying around like crazy. Quite possibly one of my 'skull-iest' game ever. Not sure I ran Team Ivy very good and the F4 certainly benefitted from experience. I gave up defense bonus to try to force the F4 neat Trees, not sure that was the best method.
Thing Clobbered everything and made it almost impossible for Ivy to mount a comeback.

Great design. Lots of fun.

175 felt like plenty. I never thought she was too powerful and was frustrated when I was limited on Plant Animations attempts despite all the Trees on the map.

Movement aspect was under utilized due to the small map but will be extremely useful for Ivy teams.

I liked the board control aspect and want to try her with an army of Walkers sometime.

Nice work here!

[Tornado]

Sorry for the delay. Let me know if I forgot anything. I am a bit rusty.

[Yodaking]

I don't understand this comment from the first game.

Who won: Merlyn (Full)

A death shot on Tygra got this going the wrong way early for Team Ivy. She could not get the Toxic Love rolling on Spidey or this may have been closer.

Ivy's team won so Tygra going down was a good thing for Ivy and better Toxic Love rolls would have led to a bigger win rather than a closer one.

Also who is Captain America (extra defense) in the second game, Bucky?

[Arkham]

Thanks for the tests! That puts her at a total of 6-9, with one of Tornado's games being a narrow win at 175, and the other being a somewhat narrow loss at 180, I'd like to settle at 175.

It's important to note, all of these games were ran with maps designed to get the absolute most out of her powers, so if she's coming in at 6-9 in best case scenarios, I'd prefer we keep her reasonably costed across the board. At 175, she'll be playing decently in situations that favor her, but the other 95% of the time, she'll be on the lower end performance wise.

Then we can shoot the Vine Animations up a little cost wise, since they are going to be used with Ivy I and Floronic as well.

[Lazy Orang]

6-9 honestly sounds like a low success rate in ideal conditions to me (assuming the first number is total wins and the second total losses), and if you want her draftable outside ideal conditions, I think that cost's going to need to come down a tad. Honestly, even testing her in ideal conditions, I felt she could be a tad on the expensive side, and lost twice by notable margins, even though they weren't eactly walkovers. I'm almost thinking 165 or even 155 would be more fair (though 155 would be a bit low in ideal conditions - it probably still wouldn't be as bad as Iceman on an ice map, though).

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I don't understand this comment from the first game.

Who won: Merlyn (Full)

A death shot on Tygra got this going the wrong way early for Team Ivy. She could not get the Toxic Love rolling on Spidey or this may have been closer.

Ivy's team won so Tygra going down was a good thing for Ivy and better Toxic Love rolls would have led to a bigger win rather than a closer one.

Also who is Captain America (extra defense) in the second game, Bucky?

Sheesh, yeah a little confusion there. CA must be Bucky, yikes, good catch, will fix.

[Tornado]

Yea for 175 but I would go lower.

[Arkham]

Alright, if 2 of the playtesters are saying lower, I'll wait on the vote then. What do you feel is fair?

[Tornado]

I would be OK at 165. Though 175 may help to keep the cost down on the Plant Animations.