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What royally pisses me off is that there's no mention of Heroscape in that video. It's like they're ashamed of it. Heroscape has a long history, coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters. I'd rather of seen them update one, or both, of those titles instead of forcing our game into the Magic mold. HeroQuest has spell cards. I've got an advanced version of BattleMasters that has spell cards as well. Or better yet just update Heroscape and rerelease it. It's a missed opportunity if you ask me.

I wonder, D&D Heroscape didn't really convert anyone over to anything they weren't already playing. How does WotC think this will somehow do something different? I mean really, will Magic players really want this? As a Heroscape player it doesn't seem to have any attraction to me.
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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game (Looks HeroScap
If done right it could be a fun game on it's own. Being able to summon your units right into the thick of the battle will be pretty nice rather then having to start with everyone in a start zone and slowly moving them around the board. I'm a bit surprised they are just going with one plain color for the terrain though. If I were making a Heroscape/Magic hybrid game I would be using the grass tiles as a source for green mana, swamp tiles a source for black mana, water for blue mana, etc. As your hero moves around the board, it absorbs mana based on the tile type it is currently standing on, then to play a spell you must expend the required mana.

Assuming the dice have the same ratio of skulls/swords, shields, and blanks I might pick up a set just for the alternate dice.
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What royally pisses me off is that there's no mention of Heroscape in that video. It's like they're ashamed of it.
Or that they are there to promote the Magic brand.

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Heroscape has a long history, coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters. I'd rather of seen them update one, or both, of those titles instead of forcing our game into the Magic mold. HeroQuest has spell cards. I've got an advanced version of BattleMasters that has spell cards as well. Or better yet just update Heroscape and rerelease it. It's a missed opportunity if you ask me.
Did HeroScape promote itself as coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters a year before it came out? This isn't the first time Hasbro (or other game publishers) have updated one game and created a totally different game from it.

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I wonder, D&D Heroscape didn't really convert anyone over to anything they weren't already playing. How does WotC think this will somehow do something different? I mean really, will Magic players really want this? As a Heroscape player it doesn't seem to have any attraction to me.
Then it's not for you. Not every game is meant to be for everyone. Since Craig Van Ness is the lead designer, I have faith that it will be a solid game. The Magic theme doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm not a D&D player yet I love the Lords of Waterdeep game. I plan to judge the game on its own merits, not on any Magic affiliation.
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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game (Looks HeroScap
If they were trying to court the HeroScape audience they'd just call it HeroScape. Obviously they think the basic game design is a good one and trying to use a fun game to get sales from the Magic crowd.

I think they learned their lesson with D&D HeroScape. HeroScape players didn't want the D&D stuff, D&D players didn't want to learn the HeroScape gameplay. Introducing this as a brand new product is a way to reuse a successful game that lasted years without alienating the massive Magic the Gathering audience.

Hopefully it'll be a successful one; I'm not a HUGE Magic fan, but it has some cool concepts, and I'd love to see future Planeswalkers get figures.
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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game (Looks HeroScap
I don't expect it to be all we love about 'scape, but with with what we've seen and with Craig Van Ness as Lead, I'm excited and optimistic!!! (three, count 'em, three exclamation marks)

Quick, random comment--no OMs visible in the prototype. It looks like the player's hidden information has moved from just the OMs to a full hand of cards. I guess that makes sense given its branding.
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Re: Magic: the Gathering Strategy Board Game (Looks HeroScap
Yeah, I think the spell cards and squad cards in your hand may be a cool mechanic.
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no OMs visible in the prototype. It looks like the player's hidden information has moved from just the OMs to a full hand of cards.
I think the demoer in the video said that you take your turn with either the main figure or one of the squads, so it seems to be a I go-you go-I go-you go for moving units.
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What royally pisses me off is that there's no mention of Heroscape in that video. It's like they're ashamed of it.
Or that they are there to promote the Magic brand.
Of course they are there to promote the Magic brand Jim. However it's kinda like buying up Axis and Allies and then rearranging the forces into elves, dwarves, and orcs and calling it Magic the Battle Game. At the end of the day it's just repurposed Axis and Allies. It just sounded disingenuous to me. Look at all of the versions of Monopoly available. But regardless of whether or not it's Cute Kittens or Star Trek it's still called Monopoly. Or Hero Quest or Hero Scape, etc….

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Heroscape has a long history, coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters. I'd rather of seen them update one, or both, of those titles instead of forcing our game into the Magic mold. HeroQuest has spell cards. I've got an advanced version of BattleMasters that has spell cards as well. Or better yet just update Heroscape and rerelease it. It's a missed opportunity if you ask me.
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Did HeroScape promote itself as coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters a year before it came out? This isn't the first time Hasbro (or other game publishers) have updated one game and created a totally different game from it.
BattleMasters was indeed advertised as being from the creators of HeroQuest. (Both games were actually tied into Games Workshops Warhammer so like it or not we owe a debt of gratitude to that game.) As far as HeroScape promoting itself as coming out of games like HeroQuest and BattleMasters probably not. Too much time had gone by between their releases. Of course everyone knew the connection. My issue is that Heroscape was a completely new brand that was using the HeroQuest gaming engine. The rules were not being molded to support another brand (as is the case with this Magic game). We joke about My Little Pony Heroscape. Now we'll have Magic the GatheringScape. But they won't call it that. Even if that is indeed what it is.

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I wonder, D&D Heroscape didn't really convert anyone over to anything they weren't already playing. How does WotC think this will somehow do something different? I mean really, will Magic players really want this? As a Heroscape player it doesn't seem to have any attraction to me.
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Then it's not for you. Not every game is meant to be for everyone. Since Craig Van Ness is the lead designer, I have faith that it will be a solid game. The Magic theme doesn't particularly bother me, as I'm not a D&D player yet I love the Lords of Waterdeep game. I plan to judge the game on its own merits, not on any Magic affiliation.
At least the article FAQ states it's co-developed by "the Hasbro Gaming team responsible for RISK LEGACY and HEROSCAPE." , not specifically their designers. As far as Craig goes that's a plus, however I've been disappointed by some of his games before. I'd like to have seen Rob Daviau and Steven Baker involved. Apparently Rob knew nothing about this:

https://twitter.com/robdaviaugamer/s...39100127072256

But you are most likely correct here in your statement, it's probably not for me. The theme of a game does matter. If you don't like the theme then no matter how well designed it is you probably won't like the game.

Wow, I'm going to bow out of this. I'm starting to sound like Skyknight here when MarvelScape first came out!
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Fun stuff! This looks very interesting.

The creature abilities bring up some interesting questions, though. They refer to squad figures that have one or more wounds on them. In Heroscape this is not possible, squad figures that take damage are removed from the board. It's not clear from the interview how this distinction would apply to the new combat system.

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