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Old September 25th, 2022, 09:50 AM
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Re: Heroscape 2nd Edition is here!

I don’t consider smart choices in design to be “politically correct”. If it was me, I would change the name to Warp Forge and make it so that it sucks in its target and warps it into an alternate dimension. Same battlefield effect, but no worries about tone.

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Old September 25th, 2022, 09:53 AM
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Re: Heroscape 2nd Edition is here!

Same reason that in C3G 2.0 we're changing "destroyed" to "incapacitated." No real gameplay difference, but sells the theme of superheroes being superheroes instead of mass murderers.

C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.


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Old September 25th, 2022, 02:11 PM
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Re: Heroscape 2nd Edition is here!

I always find the idea of wanting apolitical things hilarious.

There’s no such thing as apolitical, everything has political value small or large. Changing a name is political, as is choosing to not change the name, or just making it have no official name somehow. Any choice made or not made is inherently political because we live in a connected world.

It’s also funny that people desire apolitical things so badly. It’s like having masochism as a religion. I haven’t met a single person who thought the world couldn’t be improved, and yet so many people who think that being apolitical is some kind of virtue. “Oh I don’t want to rock the boat, what if I accidentally make things better?”

Of course this is ignoring the people who claim to be apolitical to avoid having to admit that they just don’t like the politics that’s being shown, but that’s hilarious in it’s own way.

Whatever lets people survive day to day I guess.
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Old September 25th, 2022, 02:41 PM
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I always find the idea of wanting apolitical things hilarious.

There’s no such thing as apolitical, everything has political value small or large. Changing a name is political, as is choosing to not change the name, or just making it have no official name somehow. Any choice made or not made is inherently political because we live in a connected world.

It’s also funny that people desire apolitical things so badly. It’s like having masochism as a religion. I haven’t met a single person who thought the world couldn’t be improved, and yet so many people who think that being apolitical is some kind of virtue. “Oh I don’t want to rock the boat, what if I accidentally make things better?”

Of course this is ignoring the people who claim to be apolitical to avoid having to admit that they just don’t like the politics that’s being shown, but that’s hilarious in it’s own way.

Whatever lets people survive day to day I guess.
I absolutely disagree. Everything is NOT political. The definition of political is: relating to the government or the public affairs of a country.

Discussing a game’s terminology, which is how this has even popped up in this thread, is not indicative of any political position or political party affiliation, nor is discussing the merits of various names a form of virtue positioning.

Although I find your post compelling, you must be operating under some other definition of “political”.

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Old September 25th, 2022, 05:09 PM
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I think its more of a shift in tone than any specific unit that can be pointed to. Classic was a comic book, the remake is a graphic novel.
Aren't many graphic novels just collections of comic books?
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Old September 25th, 2022, 05:20 PM
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I always find the idea of wanting apolitical things hilarious.

There’s no such thing as apolitical, everything has political value small or large. Changing a name is political, as is choosing to not change the name, or just making it have no official name somehow. Any choice made or not made is inherently political because we live in a connected world.

It’s also funny that people desire apolitical things so badly. It’s like having masochism as a religion. I haven’t met a single person who thought the world couldn’t be improved, and yet so many people who think that being apolitical is some kind of virtue. “Oh I don’t want to rock the boat, what if I accidentally make things better?”

Of course this is ignoring the people who claim to be apolitical to avoid having to admit that they just don’t like the politics that’s being shown, but that’s hilarious in it’s own way.

Whatever lets people survive day to day I guess.
I absolutely disagree. Everything is NOT political. The definition of political is: relating to the government or the public affairs of a country.

Discussing a game’s terminology, which is how this has even popped up in this thread, is not indicative of any political position or political party affiliation, nor is discussing the merits of various names a form of virtue positioning.

Although I find your post compelling, you must be operating under some other definition of “political”.
Your definition of political is quite strange. Only relating to the government of a country? What about the governing of a state or a county or a city?

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Old September 25th, 2022, 05:21 PM
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I think its more of a shift in tone than any specific unit that can be pointed to. Classic was a comic book, the remake is a graphic novel.
Aren't many graphic novels just collections of comic books?
I’m going to say it. I think the overall appearance of the new units is primarily due to the shift in Bob Naismith’s sculpting style. Just perusing his website is like looking at a bunch of new AoA Heroscape stuff. This is only a hunch, but I’m personally convinced. https://www.bobnaismith.com/

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Old September 25th, 2022, 05:25 PM
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I always find the idea of wanting apolitical things hilarious.

There’s no such thing as apolitical, everything has political value small or large. Changing a name is political, as is choosing to not change the name, or just making it have no official name somehow. Any choice made or not made is inherently political because we live in a connected world.

It’s also funny that people desire apolitical things so badly. It’s like having masochism as a religion. I haven’t met a single person who thought the world couldn’t be improved, and yet so many people who think that being apolitical is some kind of virtue. “Oh I don’t want to rock the boat, what if I accidentally make things better?”

Of course this is ignoring the people who claim to be apolitical to avoid having to admit that they just don’t like the politics that’s being shown, but that’s hilarious in it’s own way.

Whatever lets people survive day to day I guess.
I absolutely disagree. Everything is NOT political. The definition of political is: relating to the government or the public affairs of a country.

Discussing a game’s terminology, which is how this has even popped up in this thread, is not indicative of any political position or political party affiliation, nor is discussing the merits of various names a form of virtue positioning.

Although I find your post compelling, you must be operating under some other definition of “political”.
Your definition of political is quite strange. Only relating to the government of a country? What about the governing of a state or a county or a city?
Those are still part of the web of governance of a country. My main point is that a discussion between two laypeople about terminology of a kids game is not simply political because “everything is political”. It would only be political if one or more participants specifically makes it so.

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Interesting that people still think the 2.0 version is a kids game.

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Interesting that people still think the 2.0 version is a kids game.
I have no indication that it is any more complex than the original or that it has content that would make it inappropriate for the original demographic.

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I think its more of a shift in tone than any specific unit that can be pointed to. Classic was a comic book, the remake is a graphic novel.
Aren't many graphic novels just collections of comic books?
A collection of previously released comics is called a Trade Paperback. The term Graphic Novel is used loosely and people group TPBs into GNs a lot of the time when they're talking about them.
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Interesting that people still think the 2.0 version is a kids game.
You may be right...I still think of it as a game for younger folks but if it's going through a kick starter (Haslabs) then only adults can really pick it up.

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