Heroscape: Age of Annihilation is here! Back it on Haslab!

[AMIS]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

That's like blaming the children for the parents being meth addicts.

My kids drive me to drink occasionally...just sayin'...

[Grungebob]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

That's like blaming the children for the parents being meth addicts.

No not at all. I’m not blaming anybody for Hasbro’s wonky launch, I’m blaming people for their attitude about it, and their obsessive griping.

[Mr Migraine]

As Rÿchean said, angry fans are definitely a deterrent, but I struggle to believe it's the "main thing" holding this campaign back.

Again, for the lurkers, Heroscape is my favorite board game of all time, and we're rabidly discussing this because we want Heroscape to return.

Maybe I'll just put this in my signature!

[AMIS]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

No not at all. I’m not blaming anybody for Hasbro’s wonky launch, I’m blaming people for their attitude about it, and their obsessive griping.

I understand the gripes...I've even griped myself but know it hasn't done any good since it was a business decision. But AH hasn't changed the campaign page yet...from what I've seen...and aren't really likely too; so the griping seems to be falling on deaf ears. Someone said Hasbro's like a sinking battleship (or something like that) but we can only hope 'scape keeps afloat.

Positives;
I think the fact they asked the community to have a say in the new cards was awesome.
Their are community members helping flesh out the new units.
The package is certainly worth $250.
A promise of new 'scape and terrain sets have been made assuming the campaign succeeds.
Heroscape may be coming back...

[Hogg]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

No not at all. I’m not blaming anybody for Hasbro’s wonky launch, I’m blaming people for their attitude about it, and their obsessive griping.

That's what forums are for. If they had showed a "good product" we would all be gushing instead of griping. Its been like that for 20 years. Hasbro knows it too. They could have avoided negativity by doing some market research beforehand.

Everyone here thinks they could have handled the campaign better. None of them are wrong, because it would be hard to have handled it much worse. Its like handing in a book report when you're halfway through your second draft.

[AMIS]

Originally Posted by Hogg

That's what forums are for. If they had showed a "good" product we would all be gushing instead of griping. Its been like that for 20 years. Hasbro knows it too. They could have avoided negativity by doing some market research beforehand.

Everyone here thinks they could have handled the campaign better. None of them are wrong, because it would be hard to have handled it much worse. Its like handing in a book report when you're halfway through your second draft.

Been there, done that!

[Hogg]

Originally Posted by AMIS

Been there, done that!

I bet you didn't get 8,000 backers though.

[AMIS]

Originally Posted by Hogg

I bet you didn't get 8,000 backers though.

Just 1 old and grumpy teacher!

[FrankensteinsMonster]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

I don’t know about you, but if I’m going to spend $250+ on a game, you bet I’m going to do a few Google searches and see what people are saying. I’m certain newbies are seeing these discussions which are perpetuated primarily be disgruntled old school fans.

You know what they say. “Fans ruin everything”

It’s funny how people equate criticism with negativity; but here we are.

Are you saying we should be stifled and shouldn’t express our concerns to improve a large purchase in fear we’ll be at fault for the campaign failing? That we are the reason someone may not find this worth their time and money? The responsibility isn’t on us to sell it or even risk our money for a product a large corporation wants to profit from. If their multimillion dollar advertisement budgets cannot overcome criticism to improve a toy/game, whelp, that’s on them. As it is, right now, many are not impressed for a variety of reasons. If Hasbro doesn’t hear the criticism, they won’t know why many are refusing to back the product. It’ll fail and they’ll only know that there are not enough supporters.

[FrankensteinsMonster]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

i posed a question. You don’t have to agree. But I’m wondering what’s being accomplished by page after page of complaints about basically everything. Does that appear like a community that is fun to be part of?

It isn’t the question per se, it’s the disparaging use of the word “gatekeeper” that you threw in the end. We’re not gatekeeping (unless you’re implying that not forking over $250 on something we see as not of value (yet?) as gatekeeping). I can say many positives about the game as it was; now, I don’t know, Hasbro has been the gatekeepers here.

It’s been how many weeks since anyone has seen gameplay or game mechanics for this iteration of the game? We haven’t seen anything and may not for weeks to come.

All other crowdfunding projects I’ve participated in had game play videos, current rules and even other reviewers/peoples videos on day one of the campaign.

As for the mere question, I see it as being critical of criticism.

[DBZMagus]

Originally Posted by Grungebob

No not at all. I’m not blaming anybody for Hasbro’s wonky launch, I’m blaming people for their attitude about it, and their obsessive griping.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

We're under no obligation to shill for Hasbro and be subjected to tone policing. I don't have positive feelings about the direction this campaign is taking, so my posts are going to reflect that until they change direction. And make no mistake, if they don't change course, and soon, this campaign is going to fail. That will be 100% on Hasbro, not the community.

This community has gone above and beyond the call to action on this campaign. We've got people buying multiple copies they don't even need, offering to buy for overseas sellers, setting up "meme campaigns" to provide free viral advertising, people using PayPal financing just to stretch out their finances to afford this, and even a store offering $25 store credit just for backing. I find the insinuation that this is somehow our fault to be beyond ridiculous.

[AMIS]

So being positive about something is shilling and consistently criticizing the same points is not negative...

Okay got it!