Can Morsbane Kill Unique Squads?

Junge Roman · #1 October 11th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Morsbane can target a unique figure (card does not specify squad or hero). If he is successful with his rod, does it eliminate the abilities / kill the entire unique squad of the figure that was targeted?

ASmiles · #2 October 11th, 2006, 01:55 PM

If successful, yes you negate the abilities of the entire squad.

If you roll a 20, the targeted figure is destroyed, but the not the entire squad.

Oyhedwig · #3 October 11th, 2006, 02:55 PM

I'm not saying you are wrong on this one, ASmiles, but I think that could possibly be the worst ruling I have ever heard on this game, especially if it comes from the creators themselves. Think about it. PART of the special ability works on squads but not ALL. Yes, it negates them all, but it would only kill the targeted figure. Makes no sense. Someone really needs to explain this to me, because I am "the rules guy" in my group of players and I think if I tried to explain Morsbane's special power this way they would lynch me. I say, it would kill them all. Either that, or negate only one. Doesn't make sense any other way. Thoughts?

Cavalier · #4 October 11th, 2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oyhedwig

I'm not saying you are wrong on this one, ASmiles, but I think that could possibly be the worst ruling I have ever heard on this game, especially if it comes from the creators themselves. Think about it. PART of the special ability works on squads but not ALL. Yes, it negates them all, but it would only kill the targeted figure. Makes no sense. Someone really needs to explain this to me, because I am "the rules guy" in my group of players and I think if I tried to explain Morsbane's special power this way they would lynch me. I say, it would kill them all. Either that, or negate only one. Doesn't make sense any other way. Thoughts?

how can you reasonably indicate which one of a unique squad is negated? It is easy to indicate which has been destroyed.

also, if you read the card, that is exactly what it says; negate powers on the card(therfore, negating all figures in the units powers), Destroy the figure

Nooblar · #5 October 11th, 2006, 03:03 PM

Yeah, there's no practical way you can represent a single Negated figure in a squad without adding some new mechanic. Those round little markers already existed, so it was easy to use familiar mechanics.

If you wanted to house rule that Negation affects single figures, I suppose you could get a bunch of brown rubber bands to put around figures' feet...

Cavalier · #6 October 11th, 2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nooblar

Yeah, there's no practical way you can represent a single Negated figure in a squad without adding some new mechanic. Those round little markers already existed, so it was easy to use familiar mechanics.

If you wanted to house rule that Negation affects single figures, I suppose you could get a bunch of brown rubber bands to put around figures' feet...

you could make it look like they are tied up, thus 'hobbled'

Pattar007 · #7 October 11th, 2006, 04:57 PM

Someone should submit this to Hasbro.

Cavalier · #8 October 11th, 2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pattar007

Someone should submit this to Hasbro.

Why? I think it is quite clear.

Junge Roman · #9 October 11th, 2006, 05:58 PM

It seems like they intended him to only affect heroes, but inserted figure where they should have inserted hero into the text.

From the card: "All of that figure's powers are negated for the entire game."

Figure is singular, so the token is not negating the army card, but the figure's powers only. The players must track which squad member is affected. I suppose you just put the token on the portrait of the guy that's affected. Morsbane shouldn't be wasting his time negating squad members if that's the way this thing works.

Aldin · #10 October 11th, 2006, 06:02 PM

I dunno, JR. The card seems awfully clear to me. If they'd wanted to say unique hero, they'd have said it. Targeting a Unique Squad with Morsbane simply isn't as good as targeting a Unique Hero should you happen to roll a 20, that's all.

~Aldin

Skeletor · #11 October 11th, 2006, 06:15 PM

My house rule is it effects Heros only not squads.

What we have argued about is wether or not a marker is lost in the case of a roll that had no effect

Aldin · #12 October 11th, 2006, 06:18 PM

As per the card on 1-15 nothing happens. Nothing.

On 20 you get a kill, keep the markers.

Only on 16-19 do you lose/use a marker.

~Aldin