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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Initial Test

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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Initial Test

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Doctor Fate (II)

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Version tested:
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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Doctor Fate(320), Hawkwoman(260) Martian Manhunter(420) (1000)
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Fantastic Four (1000)
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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Doctor Fate(320), Ms. Marvel(350), Green Lantern(Hal)(350), Hawkwoman(260) (1280)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Spider-Man(250), Moon Knight(150), Shang-Chi(230), Daredevil(200) (1280)
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Revised Twist of Fate and Mystic Order powers:

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TWIST OF FATE
At the start of the game, roll a 20-sided die and place the result on this card. After a player rolls the 20-sided die, you may remove an unrevealed Order Marker from this cardif there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may immediately swap that player's rolled 20-sided die with the 20-sided die on this card. After swapping the 20-sided dice, that player must use that new result instead.

MYSTIC ORDER
Instead of moving normally, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 7 or lower, choose 2 to 4 Unique Heroes within 7 clear sight spaces of Doctor Fate. Re-organize the Wound Markers on all chosen Heroes’ Army Cards until each has no more than one more Wound Marker than any other chosen Hero.
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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Doctor Fate(350), Ms. Marvel(350), Valkyrie(350), Psylocke(250) (1300)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(300), Bug(200), She-Hulk(310) (1300)
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Army Test 4
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Doctor Fate(340), Green Arrow(210), Guy Gardner(320), Hawkwoman(260) (1130)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Spider-Man(250), Wolverine(280) (1130)
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Dropping the Order Marker requirement(seemed irrelevant) in favor of a slight cap on Twist of Fate:
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TWIST OF FATE
At the start of the game, roll a 20-sided die and place the result on this card along with 7 gold Fate Markers. After a player rolls the 20-sided die, you may immediately remove a gold Fate Marker from this card to swap that player's rolled 20-sided die with the 20-sided die on this card. After swapping the 20-sided dice, that player must use that new result instead.
This is to reign it in just a hair, and bring more of a strategic element to when to swap so it doesn't lose it's sense of importance. 7 being a generous amount to not feel super limited/stingy (I only used it 7 times that mattered in the previous game, and about 9 in the game before that, both of which felt like a lot and worth drafting him for).
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Army Test 5
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Doctor Fate(350), Ms. Marvel(350), Thor(430), War Machine(270) (1400)
vs.
Fantastic Four(1000), Silver Surfer(400) (1400)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Although it took a bit of work to get it feeling just right, I ended up having some of the most fun games after the changes. The things you can make happen with Fate are truly awesome. In the last game for instance, he had a banked 19 waiting for Thor to use for GoTS. However, Thor was beaten down to 7 wounds, and he had been stuck by Mr. Fantastic preventing him from capitalizing with GoTS. Round was over, it was time to decide how to proceed to even have a chance at coming back. Fate puts OM1 on himself in a last ditch effort for Mystic Order to get wounds off Thor. He ends up rolling a 1 for initiative, swaps out his 19 to cause the initiative win, takes his turn, fails his roll for Mystic Order but then swaps in the 1 to succeed, then brings Thor down to 2 wounds while bringing Thing up from 0 to 3 and Fantastic from 0 to 2. Just crazy what all had to go right for that to happen, and it completely put them back in the game for them to go on to end up winning. I also love that Fate's attack damage totals were minimal, it was all magical maneuvering that caused his damage while helping his allies. Feels spot on. Cost wise, he could probably come up a tad to 360 and we'll see how he handles in public testing.

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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Initial Test

Seems like he needs some self-wounding allies or allies that are harder to ignore to go after him.

Tactically, it seems like maybe he got into the action too fast in the first game? Since he wants your allies wounded before he gets involved, he's more of a second wave character (assuming you pair him with high life figures that can take a bit of a beating without falling).

Edit: Guy Gardner is one worth trying, since he gets value out of self-wounding and his Green Power Shield can help him stick around a bit more reliably.

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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Initial Test

Initials updated.

I propose a vote to move to Public Testing.
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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Vote 4 Publi

yea! Nice work with the adjustments here.

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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Vote 4 Publi

Yea. Interested to see how this one pans out in testing.
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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Vote 4 Publi

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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Public Testi

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Doctor Fate II

Army Test
Map: HYDRA Base Gehenna
Units: Doctor Fate(360), Abomination(360), Super-Skrull(280) Total: 1000 VS Rocket Raccoon(195), Juggernaut(340), Flash(250), Doctor Octopus(215) Total:1000
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Army Test
Map: Country Road
Units: Doctor Fate(360), Mongul(340), Wonder Woman(300) Total:1000 VS Alfred Pennyworth(60), Doctor Strange(310), Iron Man[Thorbuster](440), Black Knight(150) Total: 960
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Doctor Fate’s cost seems pretty reasonable considering the fact that he can basically control d20 rolls, rearrange wound markers, and can only take one wound at most per attack. Doctor Fate is definitely draftable as he worked pretty well with both of my armies, in my opinion.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Considering that the second game caused my opponent to flip the table in TTS twice, I like Doctor Fate a lot. All three of his powers put together are just great. It may have been the units I put him with, but I still really like the way he played.
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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Public Testi

Not the most optimized teams, but fine results. To be fair, a lot of his key allies in the JLA are still on deck.
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Re: The Book of Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) (II) (Public Testi

He also played Fate at 40 points cheaper (320) in game 2. So there’s that. But yeah, he said he had a blast and loves the design when he messaged me so that’s cool at least, and the games were fairly close.
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