The Book of Power Skrull - Page 7

Ronin · #73 February 15th, 2022, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Karat

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Originally Posted by Ronin

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: The multi-attack and skull-tripling SA option overshadows the rest of what he does by a good bit. Much more fun and more potent than the other SA option.

Duplicitous Schemes is hard to draft around; I think I would have been better off ignoring it and just drafting him as a guy with a multi-attack SA. I'd consider losing the OM requirement, since the benefit is mild anyway and that'd let him work a little better with OM managers.

Circling back to this. Do you feel like it was the triple skull bit or just the multi-attack bit that makes it so much better of an option? Would just going down to double skulls help enough?

Kinda both? I consider 3 skulls a pretty good attack roll so having a coin flip at that, 3 times, feels strong.

I'd rather see the rest of the card brought up than the fun thing he does brought down; if you did nerf it, I'd just go down to 2 attacks of skull-tripling.

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While that would be nice on Duplicitous Schemes, part of the thing there was to have some tension between him and the Emperor. If you have some other way to do that, I'm all ears.

Maybe just a softer restriction, like an Avengers Hawkeye "while there is an Order Marker on this card" type thing? Still some tension with Dorrek, but it lets the power work in a lot more builds.

Like, you may not want to take it this far (I'm showing up a little late in the game), but an ideal version of this power, to me, would look like this:

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Instead of moving normally with Power Skrull, if there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may move a Skrull or Criminal figure you control.

Though maybe other people are finding the attack-swapping more attractive than I am - I don't think I ever used that aspect of the power because he's a pretty good attacker himself and I didn't want to get punished for a whiff.

Karat · #74 February 17th, 2022, 12:45 PM

I like having that option and it makes Klaw a good pairing with him as Klaw helps to mitigate that. I do kind of like the at least one OM on this card thing though.

Looking back at the results he seems fairly balanced but trending downwards. Current record is 4-7. I like him at 210 for the point pairing with Klaw though. Thoughts?

Alexandros has not submitted his results yet though so I will follow up with him as he said he'd get them in yesterday.

Karat · #75 February 17th, 2022, 05:04 PM

Results from Alexandros bringing the Record to 6-7 but he didn't seem to have too much impact on that second game.

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Originally Posted by Alexandros

Please forgive my occasional lack of apostrophe in a given Skrull's name.

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Power Skrull

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Jack-Jack, Mr. Incredible, Elastigirl, Violet Parr, Dash Parr vs Power Skrull, Rl'nnd, Hulkling, Skrull Warriors x1

Spoiler Alert!

R1T1 Paibok moves towards the treeline. Elastigirl moves towards the opposing treeline.
R1T2 Rl'nnd meets Paibok after moving via duplicitous schemes, referred to as DS from here out. Dash and Violet move towards Elastigirl.
R1T3 Skrull Warriors shoot Dash, no wounds. Bob and Jack-Jack move into the Elastigirl Pod
R2T1 Skrull win initiative. Paibok uses Bio-Blast to hit Elastigirl and everyone else on the team except for Jack-Jack. Only Elastigirl takes two wounds. Loses the X marker. Dash moves in to punch Paibok. Violet abandons Dash in an attempt to move to safety and protect her parents.
R2T2 Paibok moves Rl'nnd. He punches Dash. Dash takes two wounds. Jack-Jack moves into the water. Bob bases Paibok, punches for two.
R2T3 Super Skrull bases Elastigirl and Invisible Woman via DS. Paibok punches Bob, no wounds.
R3T1 Skrulls win initiative. Paibok attacks Dash and Bob. Dash speeds out but Bob takes one and loses OM1.
R3T2 Super Skrull melees Violet, destroying her. Jack-Jack bases Super Skrull, attacks for no wounds. Bob hits Paibok for one.
R3T3 Skrull Warriors destroy Dash and Jack-Jack from range. Elastigirl moves towards Paibok and punches him twice. No wounds. One wound.
R4T1 The Parrs win initiative. Bob punches Paibok. Destroys him. Super Skrull bases Bob.
R4T2 Bob punches Super Skrull. No wounds. Hulking moves above the water and moves Bob into the water.
R4T3 Bob punches Hulkling for two wounds. Both warriors attack Elastigirl, no wounds.
R5T1 Incredible punches Hulkling. One wound. Hulkling hits him for two, then one.
R5T2 Bob punches Hulkling, no wounds. Super Skrull punches Helen for four.
R5T3 Helen punches SS and misses. SS returns the favor.
R6T1 SS punches Helen, no wounds. Bob destroys Hulkling.
R6T2 Super Skrull destroys Helen. Bob bases a SW, destroys him. Super Skrull deals exactly enough wounds to Bob to destroy him

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Skrulls. No wounds on Super Skrull. One Skrull Warrior remains.

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Guardians of the Galaxy (Drax II, Rocket II, Groot (Baby), Star-Lord, Cosmo vs Power Skrull, Kl'rt, Rl'nnd, Hulkling, Skrull Infiltrators

Spoiler Alert!

R1T1 Skrulls win initiative. Klrt uses DS to move towards the center bushes. Rocket mirrors him.
R1T2 Power Skrull follows Klrt. Drax brings Groot adjacent to Rocket.
R1T3 Power attacks the group of them with his special attack. Rocket takes one. No OM removed. No wounds on Drax. No wounds on Groot. Groot reveals his OM and Rocket shoots Paibok. One wound.
R2T1 Guardians win initiative. Rocket shoots Paibot. Places a bomb glyph between Paibok and Klrt. Detonate the bomb to damage Krlt. Paibok flees and shoots Drax with the special, affecting Groot as well. No wounds on either.
R2T2 Star Lord is moved to the outside tree line by Cosmo. Klrt bases Peter and hits him for two.
R2T3 Drax attacks Paibok for no wounds. Groot attacks for 0. Paibok uses his special, deals two to Groot, zero to Drax.
R3T1 Skrulls wins initiative. Paibok deals two to Drax and eats OM2. Two to Groot, destroying him. Drax takes three attacks against Paibok. One, then four, destroying it.
R3T2 F4 Super Skrull attacks Peter, no wounds.
R3T3 Rl'nnd moves next to Rocket, hits for two, then moves closer to Star-Lord. Star-Lord uses his special against Klrt. No wounds.
R4T1 Guardians win initiative. Rocket shoots Rl'nnd for one, moves to place his bomb adjacent to him, then detonates for one. Hulking throws Groot into the pond, then punches Rocket for no wounds.
R4T2 Drax moves back to Hulking it punch for 3. Rl'nnd punches Rocket for three, destroying him. Places the Infilitrator. Bamfs to Drax and punches for no wounds.
R4T3 Rl'nnd punches Drax for 3, then again for one, to destroy him.
R5T1 Guardians win initiative. Star Lord attacks Klrt for no wounds. Super Skrull punches Star Lord, no wounds.
R5T2 Star Lord strikes back for one. Rl'nnd moves closer to Star Lord.
R5T3 Star Lord strikes. Zero skulls. Hulking drags Star Lord into the water adjacent to him, melees for no wounds.
R6T1 Guardians win initiative. Star Lord punches Rl'nnd for one wound. Kl'rt bases Star Lord, hits for two.
R6T2 Star Lord punches Rl'nnd for one wound. Rl'nnd punches Star Lord and destroys him.
R6T3 Klrt attacks Cosmo. He reveals the X to shield.
R7T1 Klrt attacks Cosmo for one wound. What da dog doin? Cosmo shoots Klrt for one.
R7T2 Klrt attacks Cosmo. No wounds. Cosmo attacks. No wounds.
R7T3 Klrt attacks. Mental shield. Cosmo bites. No wounds.
R8T1 Skrulls win initiative. Rl'nnd hits, Cosmo uses mental shield. He bamfs to hit again destroying Cosmo.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Skrulls. Kl'rt with four life, Rl'nnd with two life, Hulkling with two life.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He seems strong, but not obscene. The special makes him feel very versatile and fairly easy to draft, and I think this will help boon Skrull armies quite a bit without breaking anything.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I liked him. It often felt strong to get him near the center of the map, then continue to make attacks with him while the Super Skrulls "ate" his movement. I never used the first part of his special attack, but I can definitely see instances where it would be useful.

Karat · #76 February 17th, 2022, 05:19 PM

After chatting a bit with Ericth, How would we feel about this change to Duplicitous Schemes?

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DUPLICITOUS SCHEMES
Before taking a turn with Power Skrull, if there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may either move the chosen figure instead of moving normally with Power Skrull or attack with the chosen figure instead of attacking with Power Skrull. At the end of the turn, if the chosen figure attacked an opponent's figure but did not inflict a wound on that figure, roll an unblockable attack die against the chosen figure.

The idea is to use Ronin's suggestion and to make it so you can use instead of an attack powers to get around the negative. Thoughts?

If we think it needs some additional testing I'm fine with that as it is a bit of a power boost as it lets him work decently well with figures that have instead of an attack powers but it is a limited pool since they also need to be a Criminal or Skrull.

Tornado · #77 February 17th, 2022, 05:23 PM

Not worried. He is super niche currently.

Karat · #78 February 18th, 2022, 10:37 AM

Alright, SP updated with that wording. I propose we move to Final Editing.

He seems pretty break even on win/loss (6/7) and Ericth and I have been discussing possible directions for the rest of the Fearsome Foursome which will give Paibok some others to play well with.

MrNobody · #79 February 18th, 2022, 10:44 AM

How does Duplicitous Schemes work now? It mentions a chosen figure, but there’s no figure choosing process happening anymore.

Karat · #80 February 18th, 2022, 10:51 AM

Whoops. Looks like I accidentally removed that when changing the wording. I just added the part back in where you choose a Skrull or Criminal.

The idea is that you either move or attack with Paibok but instead of attacking type powers would bypass the negative of the attack portion.

tcglkn · #81 February 18th, 2022, 10:52 AM

Unique Hero that is a Criminal or Skrull.

fret_gurglo · #82 February 18th, 2022, 11:19 AM

Yea

MrNobody · #83 February 18th, 2022, 11:24 AM

Would it change anything to do the power like this?

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DUPLICITOUS SCHEMES
Before taking a turn with Power Skrull, if there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may choose a Unique Hero you control that is a Criminal or Skrull and either:
• move the chosen figure. If you do, Power Skrull may not move during his turn.
• attack with the chosen figure. If you do, Power Skrull may not attack during his turn. If the chosen figure makes an attack but does not inflict a wound, roll an unblockable attack die against it.

That second pip slightly changes the meaning in that it punishes double attackers more heavily, but I'm sure there's a way around that if double attacks are a desired effect here.

On the bit I highlighted in blue, how much would that affect playtesting to drop? Could be fun to give him some extra play with Infiltrators and Silencers.

I dunno, just some stray thoughts.

Karat · #84 February 18th, 2022, 12:17 PM

I don't think all that much and would let him play nice with Infiltrators and Silencers.

I did wonder if bulleting it wouldn't be better.

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