C3G Dredd'verse workshop

[japes]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

The Ninja Turtles, IMO, were never actually a problem - they mutated from Turtles, so using Turtle as a species was fine, there was no need to make them Mutants or Mutates. Feels more iconic to make them Turtles anyway, IMO.

Yeah but they are called Mutants in their universe. There was a discussion at length before the compromise of Turtles appeared. At one point someone wanted them to be Mutates. Point is there have been other comics that have used Mutants in their universe that we didn't transfer straight over...and with a figure that has other options such as Durham Red...

Besides picking one item in my multiple posts to marginalize the points is kind of unfair. Especially since you specifically stated the following in your argument here...

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

They're always referred to as Mutants in universe.

Either you care what they are called in universe or you don't...

[Scapemage]

I agree with YodaKing's interpretation of how Professor X and Magneto would handle Mutants regardless of their origin universe. However, I have to be on japes' side here in that the standard has already been set long ago, whether we like it or note. Numerous Mutates and Metahumans in our game would be good Mutant candidates, but the bridge has been crossed. However, if we're breaking ground with the Dredd'verse mutation-types, I'd be perfectly fine considering all of those characters to be Mutants as well, as long as we stick with it going forward.

[Yodaking]

I see your point on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles being referred to as Mutants in their universe, but the science behind their existence is much different. They weren't born mutants, they were born turtles that were then mutated into the giant upright walking, talking TMNT we know and love. Had I been a hero when that discussion was taking place I would have argued again making them mutants in C3G due to the comic book science involved. Mutants in Marvel are born humans born with a genetic mutation, not something non-human transformed into humanoid creatures. I don't know the 2000 AD story well enough to be any kind of expert, but my understanding was they were also humans who were born with a mutation, this time from nuclear fall-out (akin to the mutants in Schwarzenegger's Total Recall who were exposed to something on Mars that led to mutations in the human genome upon birth) instead of a genetic anomaly. As such I see the two different comic book worlds 'mutants' to be similar enough to consider them distant cousins. If that understanding about how the 2000AD mutants came to be is wrong then I may change my position.

[IAmBatman]

It would be good to know if 2000 AD are scientifically similar types of Mutants (born with it) rather than a different sort (Mabeline ... er, um, mutated over time after birth). If it's the latter, I'd say Mutation makes more sense, and if the former, Mutant.

[japes]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It would be good to know if 2000 AD are scientifically similar types of Mutants (born with it) rather than a different sort (Mabeline ... er, um, mutated over time after birth). If it's the latter, I'd say Mutation makes more sense, and if the former, Mutant.

From my limited knowledge it due to nuclear fallout...so some after birth and some due to parents mutations or exposure while conceiving...Either way it doesn't seem like a natural evolution that marvel mutants insinuate.

Also there are plenty of DC figures thAt were born with it that could justifiably be said would naturally call in with X-Men of magneto...but they didnt. Not really seeing a difference here.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Mutants are de novo mutations created by radiation or radioactive contamination following the Atomic Wars in 2070. Their genetic mutations (which are inherited by their children) cause them to exhibit bizarre physical deformities. They first appeared in 2000 AD #4 (1977), described as raiders from outside the city, in the "wilderness from the Atomic Wars." Another early issue revealed that mutants have been banned from the city, on grounds that "[they] hate ordinary people because they themselves are warped".[2] However "The Cursed Earth" (1978 )[3] explained that mutants were actually the victims of irrational prejudice by those fortunate enough to be unaffected by the disaster — normal people, or "norms." As a result, all mutants were deprived of citizenship and expelled from Mega-City One, Judge Dredd's city on the east coast of America, and forced to live in the radioactive wasteland outside the city, the inhospitable and lawless Cursed Earth. There they remained for sixty years.

Hmm, so sounds like the first generation got it from the event and the second generation and on was born with it as a genetic feature (more like Marvel Mutants). And it also sounds like they're treated very much like Marvel Mutants within their society.

I could see a definite case for Mutants here.

That said, if Tornado doesn't want them to have the Mutant synergy, he cares about 2000 AD waaaaaaaaaay more than anyone else I've seen posting on here, so I'm happy to back his play pretty much no matter what.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I could see a definite case for Mutants here.

That said, if Tornado doesn't want them to have the Mutant synergy, he cares about 2000 AD waaaaaaaaaay more than anyone else I've seen posting on here, so I'm happy to back his play pretty much no matter what.

[japes]

No not like marvel mutants...marvel mutants have no bearing on what happened to their parents...it was a naturally occurring thing.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by japes

No not like marvel mutants...marvel mutants have no bearing on what happened to their parents...it was a naturally occurring thing.

Sure, the first generation is different. But after that it's a genetic mutation.

[Ronin]

A lot of Marvel mutants became mutants because their parents were exposed to radioactive materials, and that's why there's a boom in the mutant population in the modern age. That's not the cause of the X-gene, but it's a factor in whether or not a child will be born with it.

(As I remember, anyway. Could be wrong. Technically I think it all goes back to the Celestials anyway, so it's somewhat unnatural evolution)

[Tornado]

I see 3 options. You could read a Durham Red comic or proceed on pure speculation or listen to the one person that has read almost every comic Red has appeared in.

Red and Johnny exist in the future compared to Dredd. Their mutations are from Strontium fallout. Johnny was exposed while in the womb. Little is known of Red's early days. Even her true name is unknown.

[japes]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Sure, the first generation is different. But after that it's a genetic mutation.

No it's not a biologically transferred thing....non mutant parents with no genetic predisposition or dormant traits can have a mutant child...just like mutant parents can have "normal" children...so the generation has no bearing.