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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - vote for testing!
I have no issue with two going at once. I just think the default should be if you do that one goes to the Danger Room and one goes to the Public PT thread unless both need to be keep in the Danger Room for some reason. That way both areas get a steady stream of new units to test.
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - vote for testing!
Cool, I'll send her out once this passes then. Still need at least one more vote from @Yodaking @Tornado or @johnny139
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - vote for testing!
Cool, I'll send her out once this passes then. Still need at least one more vote from @Yodaking @Tornado or @johnny139
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - vote for testing!
Yea

The "one in playtesting at a time" thing was more of an issue when we had tons of people pushing designs through. I think the point cost for Heroes has sort of supplanted it as a natural brake.
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - vote for testing!
Had a busy week and kinda forgot about this. This passes to Playtesting. I'll send it out to the public, as no one seems to object to that.
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - Public Playtesting P
Ronin has some valid concerns about the wording on Pinning Shot:

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Couple quick points of clarification around Pinning Shot:

Is it intended that Pinning Shot reduces the defending figure's Defense number against Hawkeye's first attack of the turn, or only against subsequent attacks?

If she gets to attack the same figure twice in one turn, can she dock their Defense 2? (Not often relevant, but Zombie and Martian Manhunter (II) would be curious)
No to both, at least on intention. The wording probably needs a lot of work, as it was a late addition that's been through changes. It's only supposed to work on attacks after the first one, and I want to cap it at -1 for the turn, if possible.
Gotcha. Might be tricky to clarify the timing of the effect in a clean way with the current mechanics, since the trigger is the attack roll, but it doesn't have any effect until after the attack resolves.

It'd be cleaner to make it dependent on receiving a wound, but that would be a pretty significant nerf, and you'd probably have to fiddle with other aspects of the design to keep her at the same power level.
As I told him, I'd rather not change the trigger right now. Any thoughts on how to make it work?

One option would be to drop the very niche anti-movement and go with this:

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After attacking a non-adjacent figure with Hawkeye's normal attack, if at least one skull was rolled, the defending figure rolls 1 fewer defense die for the remainder of your turn.
This wouldn't prevent the stacking issue, but I think we could live with that.
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Re: The Book of Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) - Public Playtesting P
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Ronin has some valid concerns about the wording on Pinning Shot:

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Couple quick points of clarification around Pinning Shot:

Is it intended that Pinning Shot reduces the defending figure's Defense number against Hawkeye's first attack of the turn, or only against subsequent attacks?

If she gets to attack the same figure twice in one turn, can she dock their Defense 2? (Not often relevant, but Zombie and Martian Manhunter (II) would be curious)
No to both, at least on intention. The wording probably needs a lot of work, as it was a late addition that's been through changes. It's only supposed to work on attacks after the first one, and I want to cap it at -1 for the turn, if possible.
Gotcha. Might be tricky to clarify the timing of the effect in a clean way with the current mechanics, since the trigger is the attack roll, but it doesn't have any effect until after the attack resolves.

It'd be cleaner to make it dependent on receiving a wound, but that would be a pretty significant nerf, and you'd probably have to fiddle with other aspects of the design to keep her at the same power level.
As I told him, I'd rather not change the trigger right now. Any thoughts on how to make it work?

One option would be to drop the very niche anti-movement and go with this:

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PINNING SHOT
After attacking a non-adjacent figure with Hawkeye's normal attack, if at least one skull was rolled, the defending figure rolls 1 fewer defense die and may not move for the remainder of your turn.
This wouldn't prevent the stacking issue, but I think we could live with that.
Added back in the move part above and I think that should work. She only gets the double attack when she is not bonding with anyone so the second -1 to defense would never come into play.
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Ugg. That is an issue. I would rather not drop the 'stop movement' mechanic but I am not sure how to make it work.
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It's still unclear whether the 1st attack gets the -1 defense.

How's this?

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It's still unclear whether the 1st attack gets the -1 defense.

How's this?

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If a non-adjacent figure has already been attacked this turn by Hawkeye's normal attack and at least one skull was rolled, the defending figure rolls 1 fewer defense die and may not move for the remainder of your turn.
That's really not clear that it lasts for the duration of the player's turn though.

Also, if the movement blocking doesn't work on the initial attack, I'd rather just drop it. Gets weird thematically otherwise, and a little unclear mechanically.
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