The Book of Terminator (Guardian)

[Yodaking]

From CzarChasm:



Hi Yoda. All finished and I really enjoyed him. I hope you find this useful.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Terminator (T-800)

Army Test
Map: Ivy’s Greenhouse
Units: TEAM 1: Terminator (210), Puppet Master (140), Awesome Android (250), Weather Wizard (100) vs TEAM 2: Leonardo (210), Donatello (150), Raphael (170), Michelangelo (170)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Puppet Master as his charge.
Round 1: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: WW moves. Leo and Don move.
Turn 2: PM moves, Term moves, AA moves twice. Raph moves.
Turn 3: PM moves, Term moves, AA moves. Mikey moves.

Round 2: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: Leo moves, Don moves. PM moves, Term moves SA Don,1W.
Turn 2: Raph moves, A AA, 1W Raph A AA, 0W. PM, Term moves SA Don, 0W, AA A Raph, 0W.
Turn 3: Mikey moves. PM, Term SA Don, 1W, AA A Raph, 0W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: PM, Term SA Don, 0W, AA A Raph, 4W! Leo moves, A Term, 1W, Leo A Term, 0W, Don moves, Raph A AA, 0W, Raph A AA, 0W, Mikey moves.
Turn 2: PM, T moves A Don, 0W
Turn 3: PM, Term A Don, 1W, AA A Raph, 4W Raph dead.

Round 4: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: PM, Term A Don, 2W Don dead. Leo moves, A PM, 1W, Leo A PM, 4W PM dead, Mikey moves, A T, 0W.
Turn 2: Leo A Term, 0W, Leo A Term, 0W.
Turn 3: AA moves.

Round 5: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: AA moves, A Leo, 2W. Leo A AA, 0W, Leo A AA, 0W, Mikey A AA, 0W, Mikey A AA, 1W.
Turn 2: AA A Leo, 3W Leo dead.
Turn 3: AA A Mikey, 0W, Mikey causes 3W with L and S, AA dead.

Round 6: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: Mikey A Term, 2W. Term moves, Term SA Mikey, 1W, Term SA Mikey, 2W.
Turn 2: Mikey A Term, 1W. Term Moves, Term SA Mikey, 0W, Term SA Mikey, 0W.
Turn 3: Mikey A Term, 1W, Mikey A Term, 0W. Term moves, Term SA Mikey, 2W Mikey dead.

Summary: I really enjoyed the Terminator, Puppet Master, Awesome Android combo and I would have been able to get in 4 strong attacks once in a while had I not stupidly forgotten that Terminator could attack twice with his special attack until the last round, but, even so, he still came out with a decent win. His special attack is powerful, his resilience is very strong and very 'terminatory' but what does he do to protect? Once the turtles got to Puppet Master he went down quickly and there was nothing Terminator could do about it.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 2 wounds. (Special Attack): 7 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was very useful and soaked up a lot of wounds.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 1/6 life and Weather Wizard with full life.

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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Team 1: Terminator (210), Green Arrow (150), Red Arrow (150), Black Canary (190) (700) vs Team 2: 2 x Grizzly Sharks (240), 3 x Daleks (450) (690)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Green Arrow as his charge.
Round 1: Team 1 wins int.
Turn 1: RA moves. GS moves.
Turn 2: GA moves, Term moves. D move.
Turn 3: GA moves, GA A GS, 0W. GS moves, GS A RA, 4W RA dead.

Round 2: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: GA, Term moves, Term SA GS, 2W, Term SA GS, 0W. GS moves, GS A BC, 1W.
Turn 2: GA moves, Term moves, Term SA GS, 2W GS dead. D move.
Turn 3: GA moves, GA A D, 0W. D A Term, 2W, D A GA, 1W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: BC moves, BC SA D, 0W. GS moves, GS A BC, 3W BC dead.
Turn 2: D SP GA, 0W, D SP GA, 0W.
Turn 3: GA moves, Term moves, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 2W D dead. D move, D A Term, 0W.

Round 4: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D move x 2. GA moves, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 0W.
Turn 2: D move x 2. GA, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 0W.
Turn 3: D move x 2. GA moves, GA A D, 1W D dead.

Round 5: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D move x 2, D SP Term, 0W. GA moves, GA A D, 1W D dead.
Turn 2: D move x 2, D A GA, 0W, D A Term, 1W. GA, Term SA D, 2W D dead, Term SA GS, 2W.
Turn 3: D move x 2, D SP GA, 2W. GA A D, 2W D dead.

Round 6: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: Term moves, Term SA GS, 4W GS dead.
Turn 2: Term moves, D moves.
Turn 3: GA moves, Term A D, 0W. D moves, D A Term, 0W.

Round 7: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D moves SP Term, 0W. GA A D, 2W D dead.

Summary: I had planned on using Green Arrow, Red Arrow, Black Canary and Terminator in all sorts of different combos but Red Arrow and Black Canary were taken out pretty quickly. Again Terminator didn't do much protecting as Green Arrow was able to look after himself taking out 4 of the 6 Daleks.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 0 wounds. (Special Attack): 13 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was very useful and soaked up a lot of wounds.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 3/6 life and Green Arrow with 1/4 life.

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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Team 1: Terminator (210), Doctor Who (160), Comedian (160) (530) vs Team 2: Talia Al Ghul (110), Elektra (170), 3 x Hand Ninja (255) (535)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Doctor Who as his charge

Round 1: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW moves, Term moves. TG moves, HN move x 3.
Turn 2: CM moves. EK moves, HN move x 3.
Turn 3: CM moves. TG moves HN move x 3.

Round 2: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW moves, Term moves, Term SA HN, 1W HN dead, Term SA HN, 2W HN dead. TG A Term, 2W, HN move x 3, HN A Term, 2W.
Turn 2: DW moves, heals 2W from Term. TG moves, TG A DW, 2W, 0W, 0W, HN move, HN A Term, 2W.
Turn 3: CM A HN, 2W HN dead. TG moves, TG A DW, 0W, 0W, 0W, HN move, HN A CM, 0W, 1W, 0W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW heals 2W from Term. EK moves, EK A CM, 0W. HN move, HN A CM, 1W, 0W, 0W.
Turn 2: Term SA HN, 0W, 1W HN dead. EK A CM, 3W CM dead. HN move, HN A Term, 1W, HN A DW, 2W.
Turn 3: EK moves, EK A DW, 0W. HN move, HN A DW, 0W, HN A Term, 0W.

Round 4: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW heals 2W from Term. TG moves, TG A Term, 0W, HN move, HN A DW, 0W, 1W, 1W DW dead.
Turn 2: Term moves, Term SA HN, 1W HN dead, Term SA HN, 2W HN dead. EK moves, EK A Term, 0W, HN move, HN A Term, 0W.
Turn 3: Term SA E, 3W, 2W EK dead. TG moves, TG A Term, 1W,0W,0W, HN move, HN A Term, 2W, 0W, 1W.

Round 4: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: TG A Term, 0W,0W,0W, HN A Term, 0W, 0W, 0W. Term SA TG, 2W, 0W.
Turn 2: TG A Term, 0W, 0W, 0W, HN A Term 0W, 0W, 0W. Term SA TG, 3W TG dead, Term SA HN, 3W HN dead.
Turn 3: HN A Term, 0W, 0W. T SA HN, 0W, 1W HN dead.

Round 5: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: Term SA HN 3W, HN dead.

Summary: The Terminator/Doctor Who combo was great. The Doctor healed 6 wounds from him and that def turned the game. Terminator took out Elektra, Talia and 5 Ninjas by himself once Comedian and the Doctor went down.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 0 wounds. (Special Attack): 24 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was even stronger against the ninjas weak attack than in the previous games. It easily soaked up at least 6 wounds as well as effectively giving him disengage.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 1/6 life left.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I really enjoyed him, he feels like the Terminator and I would def draft him. He might be a bit undercosted as he was on the winning side all 3 games and was able to take and deal a lot of damage.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I really like him but he doesn’t feel like it hits the protector theme. Shouldn't he have a power like he attacks anyone who comes within 6 spaces of his charge, or maybe a power like Superman's heroic duty but only for your charge? I think it would be very thematic for him to sacrifice himself to save his charge.

[MrNobody]

Always looks good when a tester voluntarily does more than 3 tests, and he was clever to pick up on the Doctor Who connection. (Sonic Screwdriver might be better than I originally intended with Androids?) Very good tests overall.

I like the current draft (having not played it), but that's another playtester who's feeling like the protection theme isn't hitting.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Always looks good when a tester voluntarily does more than 3 tests, and he was clever to pick up on the Doctor Who connection. (Sonic Screwdriver might be better than I originally intended with Androids?) Very good tests overall.

I like the current draft (having not played it), but that's another playtester who's feeling like the protection theme isn't hitting.

If I remember the film correctly, he's honestly less of an 'I've got your back' protector and more of a 'stay out of the way and let me handle this' guy.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

If I remember the film correctly, he's honestly less of an 'I've got your back' protector and more of a 'stay out of the way and let me handle this' guy.

I maintain that his killing everything is a valid form of protection.

What's the margin of victory look like on testing? I think we should have enough data at this point to vote for Final Editing.

[Yodaking]

@220 - 100 point loss YK

@220 - 147.5 point loss YK

@220 - 148 point win YK

@210 - 350+ point loss Dr.J

@210 - 500+ point win Dr.J

@210 - 300+ point win Red

@215 - 300+ point win Red

@210 - 135 point win Czar

@200 - 142.5 point win Czar

@215 - 36 point win Czar


Looking at it again, if you didn't have Red's tests is would look pretty good with the only big win coming from Jekyll who also gave us his biggest loss.

[Yodaking]

So that's 5 wins in a row for those two testers, they seem to have had better luck with him then I was having. Several comments on the inability to actually protect the charge, but since he won every game I'm not sure that's a problem. Since he also survived 4 of those 5 matches, it seems as though they focused on taking out the Charge instead of the Terminator, which is maybe why the Terminator destroyed everything.

Can I just move him back up to 220 and call it a day here or is something else required?

[Tornado]

Maybe something more like Wulf's Blood Debt but with the pseudo bonding?

[Yodaking]

I'll say I seem to recall him stepping in front of John a bunch and making him the target for gun fire instead of the kid. So maybe just something where you can't attack the charge with a ranged attack if they are adjacent to each other would get the protector vibe across. He's already trending up without a new power though, how much would a power like that add to his cost and where would it fit on the card?

[MrNobody]

Yeah, I think that kind of “protecting through attacking” feels very on-brand, just seems like a few playtesters haven’t felt it’s significant enough.

That being said, like I mentioned, I dig the draft. I’d be happy to see it forward, probably at 230. But 220 also doesn’t seem like the end of the world.

[Lazy Orang]

The thing that seems evocative to me is that, while he's protecting through attacking, you can also be protecting his charge by having them run the other way. That honestly feels like most of the action scenes in the film, from my memory (not seen it in years, though).

[MrNobody]

Just an idea for a smaller change, what if the power worked more like Ms. Marvel (Carol)? Terminator takes a turn before his Charge, then when the Charge takes their turn they can’t attack? That might encourage more gameplay where Terminator can run in and engage any figures next to the Charge, then the Charge can easily flee on their turn.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Just an idea for a smaller change, what if the power worked more like Ms. Marvel (Carol)? Terminator takes a turn before his Charge, then when the Charge takes their turn they can’t attack? That might encourage more gameplay where Terminator can run in and engage any figures next to the Charge, then the Charge can easily flee on their turn.

Now I really like this change.