The Book of Mon-El (Superman Family)

[MrNobody]

Yea

[LordVenoc]

This passed.

I'll put it up there once Ion wraps.

[LordVenoc]

Was thinking on this one and was considering this change to the first power:

KINETIC THROW
Instead of moving and attacking with Mon-El, you may use Kinetic throw. Move Mon-El up to 7 spaces in a straight line. After moving Mon-El, choose an opponents’ small or medium figure that was adjacent to Mon-El at any point during this move. Place the chosen figure up to X spaces in the same direction that Mon-El moved, where X equals twice the number of spaces that Mon-El moved. Roll the 20-sided die, adding 6 to the roll if the figure is placed adjacent to a destructible object or another figure you control with Super Strength. If you roll a 10 or higher, that figure and any adjacent destructible objects receive one wound. Figures moved with Kinetic Throw do not take leaving engagement attacks.

It unfortunately does make it longer, but think it makes it a bit more reliable in return, and I threw in some damage to DOs alongside it. I do worry that it won't fit though or is getting too tight, but there may also be a way to shorten and cut wording.

[tcglkn]

I’m not sure I see the value of the +6 to the roll part but the rest of the power is cool. (can’t check for card space right now)

[LordVenoc]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

I’m not sure I see the value of the +6 to the roll part but the rest of the power is cool. (can’t check for card space right now)

So its trying to play off the 1-2 punch theme or the throwing into the wall/tree extra damage thing, but keeping it more even there. +6 felt like a nice point for borderline guaranteed without just completely negating the die roll. I could see some merit to just dropping the dice roll and triggering the wound specifically on the Super Strength/DO placement.

[IAmBatman]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: MON-EL (II)
VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = MON-EL
SECRET IDENTITY = LAR GAND
SPECIES = DAXAMITE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = VALIANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 340

KINETIC THROW
Instead of moving and attacking with Mon-El, you may use Kinetic throw. Move Mon-El up to 7 spaces in a straight line. After moving Mon-El, choose an opponents’ small or medium figure that was adjacent to Mon-El at any point during this move. Place the chosen figure up to X spaces in the same direction that Mon-El moved, where X equals twice the number of spaces that Mon-El moved. Roll the 20-sided die, adding 6 to the roll if the figure is placed adjacent to a destructible object or another figure you control with Super Strength. If you roll a 10 or higher, that figure and any adjacent destructible objects receive one wound. Figures moved with Kinetic Throw do not take leaving engagement attacks.

CROSS TIME HERO
If at least one Unique figure you control that is a Kryptonian or Legionnaire has been destroyed this round, add 2 to Mon-El's attack.

DAXAMITE DEFENSE
When rolling defense against a normal attack from a figure who is not a Daxamite or a Kryptonian, if at least one shield is rolled, all blanks rolled count as extra shields.

SUPER STRENGTH
FLYING

Army Test
Map: Dark Dimension
Units: Mon-El (II) (340), Batman (JL) (250), Superboy (Kon-El) (II) (240), Aztek (170) (1,000) vs (Justice League Strike Team) Hawkwoman (260), Green Arrow (JL) (210), Black Canary (JL) (220), Wonder Woman (JL) (310) (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Initiative Justice League Strike Team. Black Canary advances.
Aztek advances.
Green Arrow advances.
Superboy advances.
Hawkwoman advances.
Mon-El advances.

Round 2: Wonder Woman sheds a JL Marker. Initiative Justice League Strike Team. Black Canary advances.
Aztek advances.
Green Arrow advances.
Superboy advances.
Hawkwoman swoops in and hits Superboy for a wound, recharging Wonder Woman. Green Arrow sheds a marker and hits Superboy for two wounds.
Aztek burns the “X,” engages Hawkwoman from height, but can only roll 2 skulls. Superboy has something to prove, but he whiffs. Hawkwoman just blocks the attack and gets no wounds out of it.

Round 3: Wonder Woman sheds a JL Marker. Initiative Justice League Strike Team. Black Canary sheds a JL Marker and fails an attack from height disadvantage on Aztek. Hawkwoman KO’s Superboy and Batman gets his OM to Mon-El. Green Arrow recharges a marker.
Aztek uses the “X,” targets Black Canary for the Plasma Beam three times, but only hits for one wound.
Hawkwoman would one-shot Aztek, but he moves all the OM’s to his card to ignore it with his Occult Armor. Green Arrow sheds a JL Marker and hits Aztek for three wounds.
Aztek flies away and hits Black Canary for another wound with his Plasma Beam.
Hawkwoman flies to height and KO’s Aztek before his Occult Armor can blow. Black Canary recharges a marker.
Mon-El uses a juiced attack to hit Hawkwoman for four wounds from height disadvantage. Batman sheds a JL Marker to prevent a Canary Cry for Justice.
Lava Field KO’s Hawkwoman and Black Canary rolls too high for Canary Cry of Justice, giving Mon-El one wound.

Round 4: Wonder Woman sheds a JL Marker. Initiative Justice League Satellite. Mon-El punches out Black Canary from height and she misses her Cry roll.
Black Canary had OM1.
Mon-El hits Green Arrow for two wounds.
Black Canary had OM2.
Mon-El uses his Kinetic Throw to toss Green Arrow into molten lava. Green Arrow takes one wound from the lava, then he rolls a 5 for damage, so Batman can’t push it over.
Green Arrow climbs out of the lava, then rolls all skulls on an attack from height and one-shots Batman.

Round 5: Wonder Woman sheds her last JL Marker. Initiative Mon-El. He fails to hit Green Arrow, who flips away.
Green Arrow can’t hit Mon-El.
Mon-El KO’s Green Arrow.
Green Arrow had OM2.
Mon-El flies towards Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman advances.

Round 6: Initiative Mon-El. He engages Wonder Woman and hits her for two wounds.
Wonder Woman can’t hit Mon-El from height.
Mon-El takes height on Wonder Woman and hits her for three wounds.
Wonder Woman can’t hit Mon-El.
Mon-El finishes Wonder Woman.

Unit Summary: The throw was pretty hard to set up, so it didn’t see much use here despite molten lava. Superboy was the only Kryptonian and the timing made it hard to pay off Cross Time Hero for a full round, but Mon-El did get in one nice big punch with it. After his allies softened things up, Mon-El did most of the work and the enemy just couldn’t break through his defenses.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted (15) wounds on (Hawkwoman (4), Black Canary (2), Green Arrow (3), Wonder Woman (6))
• KINETIC THROW: Used (1) times to throw figures and rolled (0) for (1) to inflict (0) wounds. He did give Green Arrow (1) molten lava damage.
• CROSS TIME HERO: Used to boost (1) attack for Mon-El
• DAXAMITE DEFENSE: It was helpful against all normal attacks, but he was also rolling shields consistently well.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mon-El with 5/6 Life wins.

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Army Test
Map: Grundy’s Grave
Units: Superman (Family) (430), Supergirl (Family) (330), Mon-El (II) (340) (1,100) vs (HEROES FOR HIRE) Luke Cage (190), Iron Fist (260), Shang-Chi (230), Daredevil (II) (200), Jessica Jones (220) (1,100)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Initiative Superman Family. Superman and Supergirl advance.
Shang-Chi advances.
Supergirl advances and attacks Shang-Chi. He hits her with one Master Martial Arts wound. Superman engages Shang-Chi from height, rolls 3 skulls, Supergirl reveals the “X” on him for a reroll, and he rolls 3 skulls again. Shang-Chi puts one wound on Superman with Master Martial Artist.
Iron Fist leaps next to Superman, rolls 5 skulls, but can’t hit the Man of Steel. Luke Cage engages Supergirl from height disadvantage, rolls miserably, and fails to hit.
Mon-El advances.
Iron Fist hits Supers for a wound. Luke avoids a swipe from Mon-El, gets on asphalt, and hits Supes for a wound.

Round 2: Initiative Superman Family. Superman hits Iron Fist for three wounds. Supergirl fails to hit Shang-Chi.
Iron Fist and Luke Cage both fail attacks on Superman, but Iron Fist does heal himself one wound.
Supergirl avoids a swipe from Shang-Chi and puts one wound on Luke Cage. Superman rolls poorly, then rerolls poorly with the “X” and can’t hit Iron Fist.
Iron Fist gets Superman up to 5 wounds. Luke can’t hit him.
Mon-El hits Luke for a second wound.
Iron Fist KO’s Superman and Luke Cage hits Supergirl for two wounds to end the round.

Round 3: Initiative Superman Family. Mon-El uses his throw to move Luke Cage eight spaces away onto water but fails his damage roll.
Luke has no bonding targets and has to waste a turn repositioning.
Supergirl hits Iron Fist for two wounds.
Daredevil engages Supergirl from height disadvantage, but can’t hit her. Luke Cage repositions.
Mon-El gets the finishing blow on Iron Fist.
Shang-Chi hits Mon-El for one wound from height. Luke Cage fails to follow up.

Round 4: Initiative Heroes for Hire. Jessica Jones engages Supergirl from height disadvantage and fails to hit her, but does find the “X” on her. Luke hits Mon-El for one wound.
Mon-El throws Luke away from his allies, but fails to hit the damage roll.
Luke wastes a turn walking back.
Supergirl freezes Jessica Jones, then puts 3 wounds on her from height after a reroll.
Luke Cage, annoyed at the constant disruptions of his bonding, takes height on Mon-El, rolls all skulls, and punches him out.
Mon-El had OM3.

Round 5: Initiative Heroes for Hire. Jessica Jones can’t hit Supergirl, but does find the “X.” Luke uses this bonus and the street bonus to get Supergirl down to 2 Life.
Supergirl this Jessica Jones for one wound after a reroll.
Shang-Chi hits Supergirl for a wound. Luke Cage can’t finish her off.
Supergirl finishes off Jessica Jones.
Shang-Chi KO’s Supergirl.

Unit Summary: It was a good match up for Mon-El in that, despite rolling poorly for throw damage, his throws really screwed up Luke Cage’s bonding. Unfortunately, the army around Mon-El just wasn’t very cohesive, and the superior turn efficiency of the Fighters won out.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted (2) wounds on (Luke Cage (1), Iron Fist (1))
• KINETIC THROW: Used (2) times to throw figures and rolled (0) for (2) to inflict (0) wounds on (X)
• CROSS TIME HERO: Used to boost (0) attacks for Mon-El
• DAXAMITE DEFENSE: Always useful.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Luke Cage with 3/5 Life, Daredevil with Full Life, and Shang-Chi with Full Life win.

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[LordVenoc]

Bats did note that Superman was misplayed in the second game. Card hadn't been updated with Daxamite added to it, so Mon-El wasn't benefitting from the bonding there.

[Arkham]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Mon-El

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Mon-El(340), Ms. Marvel(350), Cosmic Boy(260), Valkyrie(350) (1300)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Thing II(340), Abomination(360) (1300)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
1 wound on Abomination. (+1 from height)
1 wounds on Thing.
2 wounds on Iron Fist. (+1 from height)
1 wound on Luke Cage, kills him.

Kinetic Throw:
Moves 7 spaces. Throws Luke Cage 11 spaces. Rolls 13. 1 wound.
Moves 4 spaces. Throws Thing 6 spaces. Rolls a 14. 1 wound.
Moves 7 spaces. Throws Luke Cage 9 spaces. Rolls 17. 1 wound, also 1 wound on a Tree which puts another wound on Luke Cage.

Notes:
R1: Abomination puts 3 wounds on Cosmic Boy(botch). Abomination puts 2 wounds on Valkyrie. Abomination tosses Cosmic Boy.

R2: Abomination puts a wound on Valkyrie. Tosses Valkyrie. Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Abomination. Abomination takes a wound from LEA. Cosmic Boy puts a wound on Abomination(botch). Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Abomination. Abomination puts a wound on Mon-El. Abomination tosses Mon-El. Valkyrie kills Ms. Marvel.

R3: Cosmic Boy puts a wound on Moon Knight. Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Thing. Moon Knight puts a wound on Valkyrie with CD, but misses on Cosmic Boy. Moon Knight puts a wound on Valkyrie with CD, but misses on Cosmic Boy. Luke Cage kills Valkyrie. Moon Knight kills Cosmic Boy with CD, but misses on Ms. Marvel.

R4: Moon Knight puts a wound on Mon-El with CD, but misses on Ms. Marvel. Luke Cage puts 2 wounds on Ms. Marvel. Ms. Marvel puts 3 wounds on Moon Knight. Ms. Marvel kills Moon Knight.

R5: Iron Fist puts 2 wounds on Mon-El. Ms. Marvel kills Iron Fist. Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Thing.

R6: Thing kills Ms. Marvel. Thing puts a wound on Mon-El.

R7: Thing kills Mon-El.


Thing with 2/6 wounds. (4 life, One More Hand unused)

Close match. Kinetic Throw made it very difficult for Luke Cage to do his thing, but the rest of the team did well to make up for it. Cosmic Boy missed all of his Magnetic Throw Defense rolls, so that definitely didn't help.

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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Mon-El(340), Superman(380), Krypto(80), Superboy (Jon)(120), Oracle(110), Lois(100) (1130)
vs.
Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier II(240), Gamora II(300) (1130)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
2 wounds on Cap, kills him. (+3 from CTH & Superman)
1 wound on Gamora. (+4 from CTH & Superman & height)

Kinetic Throw:


Notes:
R1: Lois moves up. Winter Soldier puts a wound on Lois. Ms. Marvel kills Lois. Superman takes 2 wounds. Superman puts 3 wounds on Ms. Marvel with the help of Oracle, then takes 1 wound from her BD. Winter Soldier puts a wound on Superman with GYS. Jon puts 2 wounds on Cap.

R2: Cap takes 1 wound from LEA. Winter Soldier puts 5 wounds on Mon-El(botch). Superman avoids LEA, kills Winter Soldier. Jon takes a wound from LEA. Gamora puts a wound on Superman. Ms. Marvel puts a wound on Krypto. Superman takes a wound from LEA, then kills Ms. Marvel with the help of Oracle. Superman puts 4 wounds on Gamora.

R3: Cap puts a wound on Krpyto. Superman puts a wound on Gamora. Gamora kills Superman. Oracle moves OMs 2-3 to Mon-El.


Mon-El with 5/6 wounds. (1 life)
Krypto with 2/3 wounds. (1 life)
Superboy (Jon) with 1/3 wounds. (2 life)
Oracle unwounded.

Win was mostly due to Superman rolling hot. Mon-El wasn't really used until the end as a cleanup. The +2 from Superman falling and +1 from his Heroic Inspiration made for a nice combo.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
He can definitely manipulate the battlefield quite well, hard to find safe spaces to avoid his Kinetic Throw. Melee attackers without a lot of movement can really struggle, as can those who have bonding/synergy tied to range. Felt close to me. 350 at least, maybe even 360 to be safe with all wins in the initial.

[LordVenoc]

Hmm. Don't know that there's an easy fix to keep him at the points he's at, maybe something to lean more 350 over 360. Not the end of the world if he goes that high, but does make the Kara pairing a tad tougher in the family (but that may just be something to fulfill more with like a Brainy 5 later). Unless anyone has ideas for helping lean safer to 350, I think I'd feel comfortable moving him ahead.

[Arkham]

Only things I could imagine making a difference would be dropping his life or defense by 1, or lowering the amount of spaces he can toss someone. As-is, he can exhaust all of those spaces easily.

Example 1 (Aquaman's figure repping Mon-El):

Near the end of his movement, he can easily throw those figures at the center way back to their start zone, which on maps larger than Chernobyl which is one of our smallest, can be even more devastating. Even Cap, who is right next to him in this example, can get tossed pretty far back.

Example 2:

This is an example of his threat range with it, and how hard it is to avoid. Since it's not just a matter of having to choose someone on the line he moved on, but rather he can choose any one figure he was adjacent to during the move, he can throw those along the 2 lines running parallel, which covers a ton of space. So in this case, Luke Cage is trying to make his way back to the fight after being tossed back to Mon-El's start zone to disrupt his 6 space bonding, and make him practically useless for those turns with his 5 move and range of 1. He has to consider if there's even a spot he can safely end his movement or else risk getting thrown again.

He's probably one of the best tossers in the game for that reason, and a 10 or higher isn't super hard to hit on the roll for the follow up wound, which can make for an easy 2 if you threw them adjacent to a tree.

So 360 makes sense as sort of a floor given his potential, especially given how strong his default faction is. Only way to reel that back in, is make him more vulnerable, or to decrease the effectiveness of the throw. Making it maybe a move of 4 spaces, for example, keeping the double, could work. Or just dropping the double and making it equal to the spaces moved.

[LordVenoc]

What about this as a maybe pair down and hone in?

KINETIC THROW
Instead of moving and attacking with Mon-El, you may use Kinetic Throw. Move Mon-El up to 5 spaces in a straight line. After moving Mon-El, choose an opponents’ small or medium figure that Mon-El passed over during this move. Place the chosen figure up to X spaces in the same direction that Mon-El moved, where X equals twice the number of spaces that Mon-El moved. Roll the 20-sided die, adding 6 to the roll if the figure is placed adjacent to a destructible object or another figure you control with Super Strength. If you roll a 10 or higher, that figure and any adjacent destructible objects receive one wound. Figures moved with Kinetic Throw do not take leaving engagement attacks.

[LordVenoc]

Alright, I'm thinking of going to Final Editing, but thought I'd poll out preferences:

A Final Editing at 350, dropping the movement on the Throw at 4 spaces, keeping the double.

B Final Editing at 350, keep 7 move, drop the double.

C Final Editing at 340, 5 space move, double, must pass over foe to throw (thus limiting lines of effectiveness.

D Any combination of the above

E One of the above changes, but wait for one more test.