The Book of Jason Voorhees

[IAmBatman]

Hmm, now that we've taken away the attack whiffing penalty, any reason not to go back to the perfectly thematic Undead Resilience?

[Arkham]

Yeah, the 1 fewer wound applies to everything. No leaving engagements, which works well with Ki Ki Ki, Ma Ma Ma, and he has a nice immunity to a lot of powers. I'm also just not entirely sure I like the mechanics of Undead Resilience. It's a fun power, but I'm still stuck on why exactly 1 skull rolled, and 3 skulls rolled, equal the same amount of damage, and 2 skulls rolled equals no damage. It's wonky.

Not saying I hate it, nor am I completely against it, but the no leaving engagements etc. and the immunity to 1 wound just feels accurate. If he barely gets hit, he doesn't get phased.

I will say though, the UR would be a stronger defense for actual attacks, as it essentially gives him -2 wounds for most attacks, as long as he's not killed. Which I wouldn't mind.

[IAmBatman]

OK, just checking. I couldn't remember if the attack whiff was the only reason we went to different mechanics there or not. I forgot about the special power coverage (though I'd think a figure would almost always just attack him at this point anyway, given his 0 defense).

[Arkham]

That's fair. I'm not against the idea. No Leaving Engagements could be tagged with Ki Ki Ki, Ma Ma Ma if that's what we'd want to do. Though, the 1 fewer wound is cool when teamed with Obsidian, as he never has to worry at the end of the round. But I'm open to either I suppose. Giving him a little bit more survivability would be nice.

[Arkham]

Any preference here? Whatever the majority are feeling, we can move forward with playtesting with said change. @johnny139 @Tornado @Viegon @Karat @TrollBrute
A: 1 Fewer Wound for everything

NAME = Jason Voorhees
SPECIES = Undead
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Slasher
PERSONALITY = Relentless
SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 6
MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 0
POINTS = 180

"KI KI KI, MA MA MA"
After an opponent reveals a numbered Order Marker on an Army Card that opponent controls, you may immediately either move Jason up to 2 spaces or, if Jason is unengaged and no figure on that card has clear sight on Jason, you may instead place Jason on any empty space within 5 spaces of his current placement.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE
If Jason would receive one or more wounds, ignore one of those wounds.

RELENTLESS ASSAULT 9
If an opponent's figure ends its turn adjacent to Jason, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 9 or higher, that figure receives 1 wound.

FRIDAY THE 13TH
At the end of the round, if Jason is destroyed, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, immediately place Jason on any empty space on the battlefield that is not in clear sight of any opponent's figure and remove all Wound Markers from this card.

B: Undead Resilience + No Leaving Engagements

NAME = Jason Voorhees
SPECIES = Undead
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Slasher
PERSONALITY = Relentless
SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 6
MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 0
POINTS = 180

"KI KI KI, MA MA MA"
After an opponent reveals a numbered Order Marker on an Army Card that opponent controls, you may immediately either move Jason up to 2 spaces or, if Jason is unengaged and no figure on that card has clear sight on Jason, you may instead place Jason on any empty space within 5 spaces of his current placement. When moving, Jason never takes leaving engagement attacks.

UNDEAD RESILIENCE
If Kirigi receives two or more wounds from a single attack but is not destroyed, you may immediately remove up to two of those wounds.

RELENTLESS ASSAULT 9
If an opponent's figure ends its turn adjacent to Jason, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 9 or higher, that figure receives 1 wound.

FRIDAY THE 13TH
At the end of the round, if Jason is destroyed, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 13 or higher, immediately place Jason on any empty space on the battlefield that is not in clear sight of any opponent's figure and remove all Wound Markers from this card.

[Tornado]

Hmm. Hard to say without playing it.
My theory-scape is not great.
First I think A then I prefer B.

I guess a slight edge to B.

[Arkham]

Essentially B is giving him a bit more attack survivability, whereas A gives him all around survivability and immunity to certain specials. He could be ignoring 2 wounds from attacks, if not killed from it, or he could always be ignoring 1 wound from specials and attacks, even if they'd kill him. That's probably the best way to explain it.

[Tornado]

I just struggle wrapping my mind around these things without some testing.
I am going to trust your judgement here.
I do like having the stalker aspect back in there and am indifferent on the LEAs.

I like the idea of using UR over creating a new power but it all comes down to 'how does it play?'.

[Arkham]

Each has their pros and cons really. There's really no better pick, ultimately, it's a matter of how exactly you think he should play, and what advantage you want him to have. The 1 fewer wound allows him to always shrug off the small stuff. There's a lot of specials that can cause 1 auto wound, or 1 unblockable etc. It also keeps him alive if the opponent were to roll just enough to kill him, whereas UR does not. Lastly, IMO it just makes more thematic sense that not hurting him enough doesn't phase him, whereas Undead Resilience you run into the oddness of 1 skull = 1 wound, 2 skulls = 0 wounds, and 3 skulls = 1 wound.

Taking that last part however, is where Undead Resilience shines. As odd as the logistics are, it means he'll essentially trade his ability to shrug off 1 wound specials, and his ability to survive an attack that causes just enough wounds to kill him, for a greater survivability with attacks. Attacks that roll 1 skull aren't common, so him taking that 1 wound won't happen very often. Attacks that roll 2-4 skulls are common, which means he's only taking 0-2 wounds each attack. It's the superior option for overall attack survivability.

So it's really a toss up. The idea of him shrugging off 1 wound every time seems fitting, but the Undead Resilience gives him the harder to kill aspect when attacking, that he currently doesn't have(he dies pretty easily).

[Viegon]

No strong preference between the defensive powers, but I'm not a fan of tacking Disengagement on to the end of Ki Ki Ki (it's just more complexity to a design that already has a lot going on, and could easily be missed by players skimming the card). So A I guess.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by Viegon

No strong preference between the defensive powers, but I'm not a fan of tacking Disengagement on to the end of Ki Ki Ki (it's just more complexity to a design that already has a lot going on, and could easily be missed by players skimming the card). So A I guess.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I guess I can agree with that. Main things I like about the Undead one are 1) the title and 2) that it's an established power, but neither of those are enough to sway things overall for me.