The Spellbook of Waking Nightmare

[Ronin]

I'll get another report in here soon, so you can look at testing Gizmo or the Bands.

[Lazy Orang]

Oh, yes, the Bands! Forgot about those - I'll hit them, they're probably higher priority and if you're helping me with my spell, it feels right to lend you a hand with yours.

[Ronin]

I'm mulling over some changes for the Bands, but I should have those hammered out in the next day or two. There's always Enchant if you get to testing before I get to tweaking.

[Ronin]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Waking Nightmare

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Waking Nightmare @20, Doctor Strange, Wong, Civilians x2 (500) vs Batman I, Robin (Dick), Nite Owl, Robin (Jason) (500)

Spoiler Alert!

Spell Use: cast on Batman and Dick in order to hopefully KO Batman and score an easy wound on Robin (instead of probably wasting an attack on Robin). 0/1 for LEAs on both.

Subpar performance here. Strange isn't able to set up many LEAs because the Vigilantes cut right through the Civilian swarm without any trouble. He does manage to get himself a brief reprieve from Robin with Waking Nightmare), but ends up going after Robin anyway (and OHKOs him).

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Batman with 3 wounds, Nite Owl with 3 wounds, Jason unwounded

___________________________________________________________

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Waking Nightmare @15, Scarlet Witch, Jubilee, Angel (Warren), Ragdoll (550) vs Luke Cage, Iron Man (Mk IV), Oracle (550)

Spoiler Alert!

Spell Use: cast on Luke Cage. 2 wounds on 3 LEAs. 2 wounds on Cage in one turn is never a bad deal.

Tried for a generally good mobile build that could maybe set up some good LEA situations without being too gimmicky. Iron Man manages to scatter the Mutants early with some choice Repulsor Blasts, but they still manage to swarm him and Jubilee takes out Tony. Waking Nightmare helps out against Cage by giving Scarlet Witch a chance to hit him for up to 3 wounds in one go (she netted 2), which is not easy to get relying on attacking him. Turns into a very narrow win for the Mutants.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Scarlet Witch with 3 wounds

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I wouldn't mind 20 to be on the safe side, but 15 should be passable for a final cost here. Lots of good counter-utility and compatibility with swarms here (I suspect Karnilla and Moloids is still the best use-case), but there's nothing too crazy going on inthis one.

[Lazy Orang]

Thanks, Ronin! Looks great - I'll leave it a day to breathe, then propose a vote at 15.

[Lazy Orang]

Well, left it more than that, so I Propose Moving Waking Nightmare to Final Editing at 15 Points!

@Viegon - Yea
@Ronin - Yea
@Arkham - Yea
@japes -
@Yodaking - Yea
@johnny139 -

[Viegon]

Sorry for not commenting sooner, but 15 feels a little too low to me. Reading over the tests, in all but one game it scored 35+ points through LEAs, a few times 60+ points, and that's not taking into consideration the advantage of forcing the enemy to move. Based on the tests, my instinct would be to aim closer to 30-40 points.

[Lazy Orang]

The highest any tester thought was fair was 20 - even @dok thought 25 seemed on the conservative side. Remember, it's not just costing you points, it's also costing you an attack - would you have been able to inflict that amount of damage ( or more) by attacking? Hard to say, depends on the circumstances/luck, but you can't just cost it on what it's doing without taking into account what was given up. This isn't like Mesmerise where using it is a free action.

~ Lazy Orang, praying she doesn't end up in the middle of another Mesmerise incident...

[Ronin]

Yeah, giving up the attack to use it is a fairly big deal. I'd rather see it at 20 because I prefer to err on the high side here, but I'm okay with 15.

EDIT: Oh right, the official bit. yea @ 15-20

[dok]

I'm conservative when it comes to spell pricing across the board, but I am only going to dig my heels in on the "give you something good while not costing you activations" spells.

[Yodaking]

yea

I think you are discounting how many other points you end up investing in other figures in order to make this spell do anything really crazy V, and even then it isn't all that easy to set up and execute. Lots of variables going on and you are giving up your attack as part of the spell cost.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

yea

I think you are discounting how many other points you end up investing in other figures in order to make this spell do anything really crazy V, and even then it isn't all that easy to set up and execute. Lots of variables going on and you are giving up your attack as part of the spell cost.

Yeah - I mean, the time I got a massive return on it, it was because I had a couple of squads of civvies, had the opportunity thanks to the map and unit placement to set up a perfect trap and then gave up Mordo's attack.