The Book of Gambit (II)

[Arkham]

I propose a vote to move to Initial Playtesting.

[tcglkn]

Checklists but Yea

[Arkham]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?

Shouldn't.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?

No.

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?

No.

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?

No.

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?

No.

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?

No.


Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having too high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?

We'll see.

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?

No.

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?

He likes stat boosts just about as much as any other potential multi-attacker.

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?

No.

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?

No.

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?

No.


Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?

No.

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?

No.

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?

No.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?

He can potentially benefit once per game when wounded, but that's about it.

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?

No.

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?

No.

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.

Yep

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.

Yep.

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.

Yep

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.

Yep

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.

Yep

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.

Yep

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.

Yep

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.

Yep

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

Yep

[Lord Pyre]

Yea

[Arch-vile]

yea

[IAmBatman]

yea. I'd calculate/estimate him at about 150. Definitely test with Zatanna (II)!

[Tornado]

Yea

[Arkham]

This passes.

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Gambit (II)

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Gambit(185), Magneto(355), Sage(190), Sabretooth(270) (1000)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(300), Nova(210) (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R2T3: 1 wound on Nova(botch). (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -3 KCC)
• 2 wounds on Star-Lord(botch, +1 auto) (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -3 KCC)
R3T3: 1 wound on Star-Lord, kills him. (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -2 KCC)
• 1 wound on Nova. (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -2 KCC)
R4T2: 1 wound on Nova, kills him. (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -2 KCC)
• 1 wound on Nebula(+1). (+1 Sage, +1 Magneto, -2 KCC)
R4T3: 2 wounds on Gamora. (+1 Sage, +1 height)

Street Rat:
R2T3: moves himself.
R4T2: moves himself.

Kinetic Card Conversion:


Sleight of Hand:
R2T3: 1 wound on Nova.
R4T2: 1 wound on Nebula, kills her.

Notes:
R1T1: Sage enhances Gambit.
R1T2: Magneto puts 2 wounds on Gamora(+2).
R1T3: Star-Lord puts 2 wounds on Magneto(+2), but Sabretooth takes them instead.
R2T1: Sage enhances Magneto.
R2T1: Gamora(+2) kills Sage.
R2T2: Magneto(+2) puts 1 wound on Star-Lord.
R2T2: Nova engages Magneto, but is tossed away.
R2T3: Star-Lord puts 2 wounds on Magneto, Sabretooth takes 1 instead. Nebula puts 1 wound on Gambit.
R3: Sabretooth reveals X to take a turn with Rebellion, puts 1 wound on Star-Lord, then heals 1 wound.
R3T1: Nebula takes 1 wound from LEA, then kills Sabretooth(botch).
R3T2: Nova engages Magneto but gets tossed away.
R3T3: Nova takes 1 wound from LEA, engages Magneto but gets tossed away.
R3end: Nebula heals 1 wound.
R4: Magneto reveals X to take a turn with the Rebellion, then puts 4 wounds on Nebula.
R4T1: Gamora engages Magneto but gets tossed away, then puts 2 wounds on him.
R4T2: Nova puts 2 wounds on Gambit(+1).
R4T3: Gamora engages Magneto and gets tossed away, but still attacks and kills Magneto(+2).
R5T1: Gamora(+1 auto) kills Gambit(botch).

Gamora with 4/6 wounds.

Close finish here that felt like either side could take it. Gambit proved nice on offense with some good utility.

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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Gambit(180), Zatanna(220), Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240) (890)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Wolverine(280), Swordsman(160) (890)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R1T3: 1 wound on Luke Cage(+1). (+1 S-L, -3 KCC)

Street Rat:


Kinetic Card Conversion:


Sleight of Hand:
R1T3: 1 wound on Luke Cage. (+1 S-L, -3 KCC) (Zatanna)
• 1 wound on Luke Cage. (+1 S-L, -3 KCC) (Zatanna)
• 1 wound on Luke Cage. (+1 S-L, -3 KCC)

Notes:
R1T2: Star-Lord puts 1 wound on Wolverine(+1).
R1T3: Iron Fist heals 1 wound off Luke Cage. Luke Cage(+1) kills Gambit(+1).
R2T1: Iron Fist heals 1 wound off Luke Cage. Luke Cage puts 1 wound on Star-Lord.
R2T2: Iron Fist puts 1 wound on Star-Lord. Luke Cage takes 1 wound from LEA.
R2T2: Nebula(+1) kills Luke Cage(botch).
R2T3: Nebula(+1) puts 1 wound on Iron Fist.
R3T1: Nebula(+1) puts 2 wounds on Iron Fist.
R3T1: Iron Fist heals 1 wound.
R3T2: Nebula(+1) puts 1 wound on Iron Fist.
R3T2: Wolverine puts 1 wound on Star-Lord, then heals 1 wound.
R4T1: Iron Fist heals 1 wound.
R4T1: S-L puts 1 wound on Wolverine. Nebula puts 1 wound on Iron Fist.
R4T2: Wolverine kills Star-Lord(-2, botch), then heals 1 wound.
R4T2: Zatanna puts 1 wound on Iron Fist.
R4T3: Zatanna kills Iron Fist.
R5T1: Swordsman puts 4 wounds on Nebula(+1) in 5 attacks.
R5T2: Zatanna kills Swordsman(+1, botch).
R5T3: Zatanna puts 1 wound on Wolverine.
R5T3: Wolverine kills Nebula(-2, botch), then heals 1 wound.
R6T1: Wolverine puts 1 wound on Zatanna.
R6T1: Zatanna puts 1 wound on Wolverine.
R6T2: Wolverine puts 1 wound on Zatanna, then heals 1 wound.
R6T2: Zatanna puts 1 wound on Wolverine.
R6T3: Wolverine kills Zatanna, then heals 1 wound.


Wolverine unwounded(healed a few wounds).

Another fairly close match, but Wolverine's healing sealed the victory. Gambit started out hot dealing 4 wounds on Luke Cage, but he was then quickly killed in retaliation.

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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Gambit(160), Zatanna(220), Valkyrie(350), Oracle(110) (840)
vs.
Nightwing(200), Superboy(240), Starfire(210), Raven(190) (840)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R2T1: 1 wound on Starfire. (Oracle +1 auto, -2 KCC)
• 2 wounds on Starfire(botch). (-2 KCC)

Street Rat:


Kinetic Card Conversion:


Sleight of Hand:
R2T3: 1 wound on Raven. (+1 height, -3 KCC) (Zatanna)
• 1 wound on Raven. (+1 height, -3 KCC)

Notes:
R1T2: Starfire puts 1 wound on Valkyrie(+1).
R1T3: TTG! Starfire(+1) puts 1 wound on Valkyrie(+1). Raven puts 1 wound on Valkyrie(+1). Nightwing puts 2 wounds on Valkyrie(+1).
R2T3: Starfire(+1) kills Valkyrie(+1) in 2 attacks, and 1 wound on Gambit(botch).
R3T1: TTG! Raven kills Gambit(+1).
R3T2: Raven pulls 2 wounds off Starfire, then puts 1 onto Zatanna.
R3T2: Zatanna puts 1 wound on Nightwing with SoH.
R3T3: Starfire(+1) kills Zatanna in 4 attacks.
R4T1: TTG! Raven puts 1 wound on Oracle(+1). Starfire(+1) kills Oracle(+1) in 2 attacks.


Raven with 3/5 wounds, Starfire with 1/5 wounds, Nightwing with 1/4 wounds, and Superboy unwounded.

Pretty big loss. Gambit's team couldn't really get anyuthign going and Valkyrie's defense left a lot to be desired.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
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[Arkham]

Thus far he's lost all 3 games. I think ~160 is likely. Do we like this range for him, or would we prefer to bump his move and attack by 1 to see him playing more in the 180 range?

[IAmBatman]

I think that range is reasonable for him.

[Karat]

I think 160 is a decent place for him to land.

[Arkham]

I'll prob. send him to Public at 170 if people prefer a lower cost. Those first 2 losses were close enough, and I think the 3rd game was just a bad matchup/army against one of the best armies for that point range.