Frost Giant of Morh pre release discussion

[Grungebob]

Originally Posted by DrummerScaper97

Wondering, could we get a tie in a heroscape game with the winning specifications of destroy all of your opponents figures with dying swipe? I don't think that this has been possible before,

Yes it has been possible before.
Chardar rocks!

[Sujoah]

Originally Posted by DrummerScaper97

Wondering, could we get a tie in a heroscape game with the winning specifications of destroy all of your opponents figures with dying swipe? I don't think that this has been possible before, but this will definitely be a new possibility in my house. (btw the figure and card look awesome thanks guys!)

Yep. Eltahale can get one also with Thunder Step, then killing the last figure, then killing herself.

I guess Kumiko could also, if you use Ninjitsu Barrage to kill the last figure, then jump in lava...

[Grungebob]

Originally Posted by Sujoah

Yep. Eltahale can get one also with Thunder Step, then killing the last figure, then killing herself.

I guess Kumiko could also, if you use Ninjitsu Barrage to kill the last figure, then jump in lava...

Nice! Yes good observations.

[Majora's Incarnation]

What a bunch of suicidal 'scapers. You all need counseling.

[dok]

Originally Posted by Cavalier

Honestly, this has been being discussed for weeks.

True, but I must admit I was surprised to see the big single-hex base on this figure. I expected it for Moltenclaw, MotH, the Ice Troll, and the Ogre, but not this guy. I just thought he was a little too Larry Craig to fit on a single-hex base, and I thought it would be a bit weird to have a single-spaced huge figure. Actually, it is weird to have a single-spaced huge figure. Not wrong, just weird. I'll get used to it.

Originally Posted by DaddyScaper

I like him as an anti-squadscape figure. He should counter, or at least challenge, both melee and ranged squads with his bonuses to move & dying swipe.

That said, I still don't think there's any way he can take out his point's worth of stingers/10th/knights etc.

Heroes will often have the special attacks that will protect themselves from Dying Swipe, which would otherwise be deadly. He *should* wipe the floor with heroes like RotV Drake and Braxas, who do not have relevant special attacks.

Yeah, I definitely see him as more of an anti-hero figure than an anti-squad figure. Dying swipe is nice if he's mobbed with a bunch of squaddies, but it's nicer if he's next to some high-point heroes... especially high defense, low life, high-point heroes.

This isn't a metagame-shattering figure, but it's certainly competitive.

[Odin_Osgard]

Originally Posted by Sujoah

Yep. Eltahale can get one also with Thunder Step, then killing the last figure, then killing herself.

I guess Kumiko could also, if you use Ninjitsu Barrage to kill the last figure, then jump in lava...

Wouldn't the game end once the final figure is destroyed

[Robotech Master]

Originally Posted by Odin_Osgard

Wouldn't the game end once the final figure is destroyed

Conditions are checked at the end of the turn. Her turn wouldn't end until it was determined if she survived the lava roll or not.

[Chardar]

He means that once Kumiko was the last figure on the board the game is over. She wouldn't ever have to move onto the lava space.

[chief]

FGoM x2 280
TKN 220 500
Nadgrubs x3 590
Isamu 600

I like it ...

[D1 Winner]

Does Indomitable carry over into Battle Frenzy?

[TurtleKing99]

Originally Posted by D1 Winner

Does Indomitable carry over into Battle Frenzy?

yes

[Dad_Scaper]

Originally Posted by dok

True, but I must admit I was surprised to see the big single-hex base on this figure. I expected it for Moltenclaw, MotH, the Ice Troll, and the Ogre, but not this guy. I just thought he was a little too Larry Craig to fit on a single-hex base, and I thought it would be a bit weird to have a single-spaced huge figure. Actually, it is weird to have a single-spaced huge figure. Not wrong, just weird. I'll get used to it.

It's interesting, it's definitely *not* in the Frost Giant's best interest to be 1 hex. He is one of a few figs that would *prefer* the 2d hex. This seems to me to be a design feature, and so be it.

Originally Posted by dok

Yeah, I definitely see him as more of an anti-hero figure than an anti-squad figure. Dying swipe is nice if he's mobbed with a bunch of squaddies, but it's nicer if he's next to some high-point heroes... especially high defense, low life, high-point heroes.

This isn't a metagame-shattering figure, but it's certainly competitive.

He will be more dangerous against normal attacking heroes and squads, which also tend to be normal attacking. Many heroes will have special attacks available to protect themselves from dying swipe, though they will still have to contend with Indomitable. I suppose it would have been more accurate to say that the Frost Giant will be most effective against normal attackers, be they range (indomitable) or melee (dying swipe), but as dok says, not metagame shattering.

On the *tournament scene*, which is not the only place units should be judged, if he wipes out a whole squad of knights before he goes down he has done half his points worth of damage.