Help With Wurdz

[kolakoski]

Well met!

@SkyWhale, in other wurdz, it's not feasible. Thanks!

[SkyWhale]

Certainly feasibly, may just need more caveats to be balanced.

[kolakoski]

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Originally Posted by SkyWhale

Certainly feasibly, may just need more caveats to be balanced.

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Went with this - for now.

BASH AND SLASH
If Ravenwolf attacks an adjacent figure he was not adjacent to at the start of his turn, add 3 to his roll for Master at Arms and he may attack that figure 1 additional time.

[Dad_Scaper]

I think that's cleaner and more thematic.

[kolakoski]

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Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

I think that's cleaner and more thematic.

BASH AND SLASH
If Ravenwolf attacks an adjacent figure he was not adjacent to at the start of his turn, add 3 to his roll for an automatic skull in Master at Arms and he may attack that figure 1 additional time.

Added "for an automatic skull." Necessary or desirable?

[Dad_Scaper]

Not necessary. You go to that well very often, and it's not necessary.

[kolakoski]

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Possible additional power for Captain Xue:

CAPTAIN XUE'S CONSORT
Choose a Human Unique Hero you control to be Captain Xue's Consort. If Captain Xue is adjacent to her Consort and receives one or more wounds from a normal or leaving engagement attack, you may instead place any or all of those wound markers on her Consort's Army Card, but may not place enough wound markers on her Consort's Army Card to destroy Captain Xue's Consort.

[Iron Clubber]

Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

Right, right, the Blade Dancers include that line, and so should this. Meanwhile, we don't know if any of this workshopping is even welcome. But just in case:

Parry and Strike
When rolling defense dice for a normal attack from an adjacent figure, if Duelist A rolls 2 or more shields, Duelist A takes no damage and you may place Duelist A on any other space adjacent to the attacking figure. If you do, and you rolled more shields than the adjacent figure rolled skulls, the attacking figure receives 1 wound. Duelist A does not take any leaving engagement attacks when using Parry and Strike.

Ok. As usual, I started with a simple idea, and rational and helpful feedback from clever people has made it something complicated. That's ok! It's how it should be. Thank you, Skywhale. @Iron Clubber , is this helpful at all? Thank you for sharing your cool idea. I hope I have not mangled it too much with my feedback. Let me know if you would prefer to workshop something closer to your original idea, though I am fond of where this conversation led us.

Thanks for weighing in on this! I was workshopping a way to add duelist as a style of fencing melee unit, similar to how the Samurai use counterstrike. The D20 was my attempt to have some duelist units more proficient than others by varying the roll required but I agree with @SkyWhale that it feels cleaner this way.

The only problem I have with this train of thought is that the fencer style unit would need a fairly high defense for this to be playable. Not really the look for a "stick & move" nimble unit.

[quozl]

I'd do something like this:

PARRY AND STRIKE
If Duelist is attacked with a normal attack by an adjacent figure, roll the 20-sided die to parry and strike. If you roll 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, Duelist takes no damage and instead may be placed on any same level space adjacent to the attacking figure. Roll one unblockable attack die against the attacking figure. Duelist does not take any leaving engagement attacks when using Parry and Strike.

[kolakoski]

Well met!

Originally Posted by quozl

I'd do something like this:

For my custom, El Nubarrón. Something like this may work for you:

DESTREZA DEFENSE
When El Nubarrón rolls defense dice against a normal attack, roll a 20-sided die. On a roll of 15 or higher, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled. When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, all excess shields count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

[Dad_Scaper]

Originally Posted by Iron Clubber

Thanks for weighing in on this! I was workshopping a way to add duelist as a style of fencing melee unit, similar to how the Samurai use counterstrike. The D20 was my attempt to have some duelist units more proficient than others by varying the roll required but I agree with @SkyWhale that it feels cleaner this way.

The only problem I have with this train of thought is that the fencer style unit would need a fairly high defense for this to be playable. Not really the look for a "stick & move" nimble unit.

I actually love this, because you can adjust the skill of the duelist by simply adding defense dice! That would be such a clean way to get the effect that you wanted. Anything from range 3-5. If the Izumi can be swashbucklers with 5 defense, in order to access that theme, so can your duelists. And heroes could have, for instance, 3 Defense and 4 or 5 Life.

Thanks again for sharing!

edit: And listen to Quozl, too! So many smart people in this thread.

[kolakoski]

Well met!

Rogue Commander could be cleaner (but see how it combines with Hand Cannon):

CAPTAIN XUE
General: Vydar
Human, Unique Hero, Rogue, Tricky, Medium 5
Life 5, Move 5, Range 7, Attack 3, Defense 3

DOUBLE ATTACK
When Captain Xue attacks, she may attack one additional time.

HAND CANNON
When Captain Xue rolls attack dice, roll a 20-sided die. On a roll of 15 or higher, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. If Captain Xue attacks an adjacent figure, add 5 to your roll.

ROGUE COMMANDER
When a Rogue figure you control that is Captain Xue or within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Xue rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, roll a 20-sided die. On a roll of 15 or higher, add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled. When a Rogue figure you control that is within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Xue rolls attack dice, roll a 20-sided die. On a roll of 15 or higher, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled. If a Rogue figure you control that is within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Xue attacks an adjacent figure, add 3 to your roll.

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