The Book of Giganto (Atlantean Beast)

[Ericth74]

I think Toy is waiting on confirmation on base size and height from someone who owns the figure.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Ericth74

I think Toy is waiting on confirmation on base size and height from someone who owns the figure.

I gave it to him on Discord.

[Ericth74]

Ah gotcha, that was the last I knew but it's been a while since I asked

[toyhandle]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency-

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?
It allows multiple Giganto to move instead of the Glyph holder, and one Giganto to attack instead of the glyph holder. He’s not too fast, and very costly, so hopefully the multiple Wake Of Destructions won’t get out of hand. Willing to adjust of that is the case.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?
When he dies, he can wound nearby figures.

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?
No

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?
No

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?
Wake of Destruction, first time used on a <1000pt Uncommon figure.

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?
No

Potency-

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having too high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?
Hopefully not too much.

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?
No.

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?
No.

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?
No.

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?
No.

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?
No.

Chicanery-

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, possess only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?
No.

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?
No.

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?
No.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?
No.

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?
No.

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?
You could kill him to trigger Gigantic Impact, but probably not the best use of Giganto.

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (LONG FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

1. Are the character’s name and secret identity listed in a consistent format with the rest of the project? If the character shares a name and/or secret identity with another character is it properly clear whether or not they are the same character?
Yes, there is Giganto the Mole Monster, but Uncommon rules allow both Giganto’s to be drafted together.

2. Consider the listed Species. Are the design’s power level, point level, and statistics (life, move, range, attack, and defense numbers) within the established range for that species? If it’s an outlier, is there thematic justification for this?
Yes

3. Consider the listed Uniqueness. Does the power text properly reflect whether the figure is a Hero or a squad, and whether it is Event, Unique, Uncommon, or common? If it’s Event, are the powers written with consideration for Event Hero rules? If it’s Uncommon, are the powers written to avoid stacking? If it’s common, are the powers written with this in mind?
Yes

4. Consider the Class and Personality. For each, is it a reuse? If so, is the character thematically consistent with other members of that Class or Personality? If not, is there a preexisting Class or Personality that would fit as well that could be used instead? Are there any existing synergies with that Class or Personality that are undesirable or that this Design would create that would be undesirable for preexisting members of that Class or Personality?
Good

5. Consider the listed Size. If the figure is double based, is it Large or Huge? Is the chosen miniature’s physical size consistent with other miniatures in the chosen size category?
Double, and yes.

6. Consider the listed Height. If you stack hexes up next to the figure, does the number listed for the height match up the layers of stacked hexes that match the miniature’s physical height?
Consider the listed Life number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same species?
Yes

7. Consider the listed Move number. Is this number consistent with other figures of that power level?
Yes

8. Consider the listed Range and Attack numbers. Is this number consistent with other figures that use the same type of weapon or power to attack?
Yes

9. Consider the listed Defense number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same or similar species and with the same or similar armor or other defensive equipment?
Yes

10. Does the figure have Super Strength? If it does or doesn’t, was this determined on the standard of that character demonstrating three things: A. The ability to throw a car B. The ability to survive a fall from a tall building and C. The ability to knock back another person when punching them?
Yes

11. Examine all of the special powers. Are there other powers that fit the same theme already in existence in the project? If so, can they be reused? If they can’t, can those other powers be used as a basis for the mechanics and wording?
Good

12. Examine any movement powers. Do they keep the figure’s speed consistent with other figures of their species and power level?
Examine any offensive powers. Do they keep the figure’s offensive potential consistent with other figures with the same powers and power levels or skills and weaponry?
Good

13. Examine any defensive, healing, or other tanking powers. Do they keep the figure’s survivability consistent with other figures of the same powers or power level or species and armor class?
Yes

14. Examine any leadership powers. Do they exceed the activation potential of the best existing leaders? If so, is there thematic justification for this?
Best with Atlantean Kings

15. Consider any powers that reference darkness, electrical, figure movement, fire, gas, ice, kryptonite, light/sensory, magical, poison, psychic, stealth, or water-based abilities. Do these behave in similar ways to other powers of this type, including mentions of immunities?
Is it clear for all special powers what phase of the turn and how they are triggered, what phase of the turn they are active in, and when and how they cease being active?
Yes

16. Are special powers listed in game, round, and turn order?
Yes

17. If a special power includes a D20 roll, does it make sense to list a number by the title?
N/A

18. If a power is being reused, are the title and wording copied accurately?
Yes

19. Has the power title or a very similar one been used before with vastly different mechanics?
Reuse of Wake of Destruction, and riff on the Great Evergreen falling power.

I propose we move to initial playtesting.

[MrNobody]

Yea

[Splash]

Just wanna say that bio cracks me up every time I read it XD

[Ericth74]

Yea

[IAmBatman]

yea

[Tornado]

Yea

[Arkham]

yea

[toyhandle]

This passes.

Thanks everyone!

[Ericth74]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Giganto (Atlantean Beast)

Version tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = GIGANTO

SPECIES = GIGANTO
UNIQUENESS = UNCOMMON HERO
CLASS = GUARDIAN
PERSONALITY = DOCILE

SIZE/HEIGHT = HUGE 10

LIFE = 7

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 8

POINTS = 350

HORN OF PROTEUS
At the start of the game, if a Glyph of Horn of Proteus is not equipped to a figure you control, place a Glyph of Horn of Proteus on the card of a figure you control. Giganto cannot equip Glyphs.

WAKE OF DESTRUCTION
While moving, Giganto may destroy any destructible object or obstacle that is adjacent and unoccupied; may move through and never takes leaving engagement attacks from figures that are not huge; and does not stop its movement when entering water spaces. After moving, roll 1 unblockable attack die against each figure Giganto moved through.

GIGANTIC IMPACT
When Giganto is destroyed, before removing it from the Battlefield you must choose 3 spaces in a straight line from one of the spaces Giganto occupies. All figures on these spaces and all adjacent spaces, whose bases are not higher than the height of Giganto, receive one wound. Huge figures are not affected.

SUPER STRENGTH

NAME = GLYPH OF HORN OF PROTEUS
SUBTITLE = GIGANTO LEADER

ARTIFACT EQUIPMENT GLYPH
Instead of moving normally with a figure equipped with this glyph, you may move any or all Docile Giganto figures within 8 spaces of this glyph. Instead of attacking normally with a figure equipped with this glyph, you may attack with a Docile Giganto within 8 spaces of this glyph. Atlantean Kings cannot lose this glyph by receiving wounds unless they are destroyed.

Army Test
Map: .City Park
Units: 1100 pts – Sub-Mariner 250, Moon Knight 150, Giganto x2(Pink and Blue) VS 1100 pts – Ms Marvel 350, Captain America 240, Winter Soldier 240, Wolverine 270

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt: R2T2 Captain America 1 wound(Wake) – Blue
R2T3 Captain America 2 wounds – Blue
R3T1 Winter Soldier 1 wound(Wake) - Pink


HORN OF PROTEUS: Namor started with the Horn and used it until the Whales died.

WAKE OF DESTRUCTION: Used whenever possible

GIGANTIC IMPACT: Used to inflict wounds on Winter and Cap

R1 – Movement
R2 – Gigantos move forward. Cap attacks Blue doing 2 wounds. Namor uses Water Avenger to place a wound on Cap. Winter Soldier attacks down on Blue from range doing 3 wound(6 skulls on 6 dice!). Pink moves and drops a Tree on Winter Soldier. Blue walks through Cap doing a wound and attacks Cap who blocks it. Pink walks through Winter(no damage) and drops a tree on Ms Marvel doing a wound. Blue walks through Cap(no damage) and attacks him doing 2 wounds. Cap attacks Blue doing 2 wounds which kills him. Blue falls on Cap doing another wound. Ms Marvel attacks Pink who blocks it.
R3 – Cap attacks Namor who blocks it. Winter attacks Pink doing 4 wounds. Pink walks through Winter doing a wound and drops a tree on Ms Marvel. Pink attacks Winter who blocks it. Winter Soldier attacks and kills Pink. Pink falls on Winter and Wolverine, doing a wound to Winter.
R4&5 – Moon Knight reappears. Moon Knight hits Winter Soldier for 1 wound. Winter Soldier hits Namor for 2 wounds. Moon Knight hits Cap and Winter with darts to take them both out. Wolverine and Ms Marvel take out Namor. Wolverine and Ms Marvel hunt down Moon Knight taking him out.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Wolverine full life, Ms Marvel 2 wounds/3 life left

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: 1200 pts – Sub-Mariner 250, Ocean Master 250, Giganto x2(Pink and Blue) VS 1200 pts – Mr Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch, Aurora

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt: R2T1 Mr Fantastic 1 wound(Wake) – Pink
R2T1 Mr Fantastic 1 wound(Wake) – Blue
R2T1 Invisible Woman 2 wounds – Blue
R2T2 Human Torch 1 wound(Wake) – Blue
R2T2 Aurora 1 wound(Wake) – Pink
R2T2 Invisible Woman 3 wounds – Blue – dead
R2T3 Torch 1 wound(Wake) – Pink
R2T3 Mr Fantastic 1 wound(Wake) – Pink
R2T3 Torch 1 wound(Wake) – Blue
R2T3 Torch 2 wounds – Pink – dead
R3T1 Aurora 1 wound(Wake) - Blue
R3T1 Thing 3 wounds – Blue



HORN OF PROTEUS: Namor used it until he died, was then picked up by Aurora and she was able to use it once before the game ended.

WAKE OF DESTRUCTION: Used whenever possible and did many wounds.

GIGANTIC IMPACT: Put a wound on Thing when Pink died.

Sub-Mariner starts with the Horn.
R1 – Movemwnt. Pink and Blue destroy some trees.
R2 – Pink and Blue both walk through Mr F each doing a wound. Blue attacks Invisble Woman for 2 wounds. Mr F rolls a 2 and can only get his turn. He attacks Pink who blocks it. Sub-Mariner Water Avenges doing a wound to Mr F. Pink walks through Aurora and Mr F, doing a wound to Aurora. Blue walks through Torch and Invisible Woman doing a wound to Torch. Blue attacks and destroys Invisible Woman doing 3 wounds to her. Mr F again rolls a 2 and only gets his turn. Reed attacks down on Namor who blocks it. Pink walks through Mr F, Aurora and Torch doing wounds to Mr F and Torch. Blue walks through Aurora and Torch, and puts a wound on Torch. Pink attacks Torch doing 2 wounds and takes him out. Reed rolls an 11 and Thing grabs height and attacks with 11 dice which is blocked. Namor Avenges and puts a wound on Thing. Thing attacks a second time doing 6 wounds to Pink. Mr F follows it up with 3 wounds to Namor.
R3 – Reed rolls a 12 and gets turns with Aurora and Thing. Thing attacks down on Pink killing him. Pink fell on Thing doing a wound. He then attacks Namor doing 2 wounds. Aurora attacks Blue who blocks it. Mr F attacks Namor, who blocks it. Blue walks over Aurora and Thing, doing a wound to Aurora. He also drops a tree on Reed killing him. Blue attacks Thing doing 3 wounds. Thing attacks and kills Namor knocking away the Horn Glyph. Ocean Master moves forward and uses his Trident but misses Thing.
R4 – Aurora takes a LEA but grabs the Horn Glyph. Blue walks through Thing killing him. Aurora uses the Horn to move and attack with Blue on Ocean Master doing 3 wounds. Blue attacks Aurora who blocks it. Order Marker 3 was on Thing. Ocean Master uses his Trident to put the last wound on Aurora for the win.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Giganto(Blue) full 7 life, Ocean Master 3 wounds/2 life left.

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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: 1200 pts – Aquaman 230, Mera 210, Aqualad 60, Giganto x2(Pink and Blue) VS 1200 pts – Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man 250, Punisher 180, Two Gun Kid, Songbird

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt: R2T2 Punisher 4 wounds – Blue- dead
R2T3 Luke Cage 1 wound - Pink
R3T1 Cage 1 wound – Pink – dead
R4T1 Songbird 2 wounds – Pink
R5T2 Iron Fist 3 wounds – Pink
R5T3 Iron Fist 2 wounds – Pink - dead


HORN OF PROTEUS: Held by Aquaman and used most turns.

WAKE OF DESTRUCTION: Used as often as possible on both figures and DO's

GIGANTIC IMPACT: Each fell on a figure when destroyed.

R1 – Movement.
R2 – Blue moves and drops a tree on Songbird. Iron Fist attacks Blue doing a wound. Luke Cage attacks Blue doing a wound. Punisher hits Blue with a warning shot doing a wound. Blue walks over Luke and Iron Fist doing no wounds, but Blue drops a tree on Luke and Punisher. Blue attacks Punisher for 4 wounds killing him. Pink attacks Cage doing 1 wound. Iron Fist attacks Blue doing 3 wounds and he heals Cage 1 wound. Cage follows it up with an attack doing the final wound to Blue. Blue falls on Cage doing a wound. Pink walks over Fist and Cage doing no wounds. Pink attacks Cage. Cage takes a wound. Spider-Man hits Pink for 1 wound.
R3 – Pink walks through Cage and Fist doing a wound to Cage. Pink attacks Cage doing 1 wound killing him. Dead order marker 1 on Cage. Pink walks over Fist but does no damage, it attacks but Iron Fist blocks it. Songbird attacks Pink who blocks it. Spider-Man attacks down on Aqualad who blocks it. Pink walks through Fist doing no damage. Pink attacks Songbird who blocks it. Spider-Man webs Aquaman doing 2 wounds to him.
R4 – Aquaman moves back into the water. Pink attacks Songbird doing 2 wounds. Iron Fist attacks down doing 1 wound to Pink. Pink walks through Spider-Man doing a wound and then attacks Songbird doing 2 wounds killing her. Aquaman heals a wound. Spider-Man Swing lines and attacks down on Aquaman. Spider-Man webs Aquaman and attacks down, its blocked. Pink walks through Spider-Man doing no damage, it attacks up on Iron Fist who blocks it. Spider-Man attacks pink who blocks it.
R5 – Pink and Iron Fist exchange attacks both doing no damage. Pink attacks Fist doing 3 wounds. Spider-Man webs Aquaman doing 2 wounds to him. Pink attacks and kills Iron Fist. Aquaman heals a wound. Spider-Man attacks down on Pink doing 3 wounds.
R6 – Spider-Man kills Pink. Aquaman attacks Spider-Man doing a wound and heals a wound. Other attacks doing no damage.
End game – Aquaman, Mera and Aqualad take ourt Spider-Man, Two-Gun Kid takes out Aqualad before Aquaman can heal him. Aquaman One Shots Two-Gun to end the game

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Aquaman full 5 life, Mera full 4 life

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: 350 points feels pretty close. Went 2-1, with a huge loss, big win and a closer win. Both the big loss and big win had terrible one-sided dice. I didn't have great luck rolling unblockables so their damage output could go up. Really a lot of fun to tromp around the map. There are times where some decisions need to be made as to if you take a turn with the King or do some work with Giganto(s) but that is the case with many bonding figures. I did feel like that put a figure like Namor out of position at times for his Water Avenger. The Horn Glyph adds an interesting wrinkle and I did see it used once by an enemy. Would be interesting to have it tested against some thief figure that could steal it and maybe use the Giganto(s) against its owners army. No real design changes needed. Maybe a bump in points or drop in life/defense if they show to be too strong.