The Book of Ten of Spades

[Yodaking]

Yeah, I'm generally leery of SA of 3 for the most part due to the fact the average base def is now 5. The bonus wound when you do hit is the only reason I think it needs to stay down at 3 to hit the 140 price point. Whiffs on defense happen. If you would prefer rolling 4 dice twice, I'd drop the bonus wound then. Your call.

[tcglkn]

I personally just find a specially attacks that's just ranged double attack to be boring. Plus for most of the game she's gonna get OMs until she falls so she'll have plenty of attempts to try to get in the extra wounds.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

due to the fact the average base def is now 5.

Is this true? Legitimately curious.

Fwiw at attack of 3 produces 1.5 skulls on average and a defense of 5 produces 1.33 shields on average, so an attack of three should be plenty viable against a defense of 5.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Is this true? Legitimately curious.

Fwiw at attack of 3 produces 1.5 skulls on average and a defense of 5 produces 1.33 shields on average, so an attack of three should be plenty viable against a defense of 5.

According to the On Deck Sortable Index the average is 4.5. Very easy to check, just select the whole column and in the bottom right corner on Google Sheets it defaults to Sum but you can change it to Average, Min, Max, or just count the selected cells.

A double attack of 3 is totally viable and the chance at an extra wound is huge.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Is this true? Legitimately curious.

Defense values are pretty stable over the history of the project. Marginal decrease from the early days, if anything.



Log scale on the second chart - the trend is even less notable than it looks at a glance, but it is still down and not up.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Ronin

Defense values are pretty stable over the history of the project. Marginal decrease from the early days, if anything.



Log scale on the second chart - the trend is even less notable than it looks at a glance, but it is still down and not up.

For fun I broke it down:
001-100: 4.27
101-200: 4.81
201-300: 4.65
301-400: 4.75
401-500: 4.46
501-600: 4.46
601-700: 4.75
701-800: 4.28
801-900: 4.83
900-1000: 4.55
1000+: 4.09

Fairly consistent over the whole project actually. This is only counting the printed defensive value on cards, not tracking any special powers.

[Ronin]

Yeah, trying to track overall power level is a different, more complex conversation. Defense numbers are just about where they always were though.

[Yodaking]

Lots of figures that have auto-shields, wound ignore, or attack dodge powers are given base def of 3/4. I actually prefer a lower base defense with an auto-shield power.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

Lots of figures that have auto-shields, wound ignore, or attack dodge powers are given base def of 3/4. I actually prefer a lower base defense with an auto-shield power.

And a lot of those don't work against special attacks.

[fret_gurglo]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? YES Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? NO, IT IS RESTRICTED TO THE RFG Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions? NO, IT IS CAPPED AT THE 5 MEMBERS OF THE RFG

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment? NO

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures? NO

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers? NO

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures? NO

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls? NO


Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from. NO

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed? HER SA HAS AUTO-WOUNDING CAPABILITIES, BUT NOT OVER THE TOP

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily? NO

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others? NO

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it? NO

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios? NO

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure? NO


Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage? NO

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers? NO

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking? NO

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers? NO

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone? NO

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so? NO

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

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Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named. YES

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads. YES

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense. YES

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged. THE FIGURE IS SITTING DOWN, BUT I BELIEVE SIZE 4 IS ACCURATE

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't. YES

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected. YES

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text. YES

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities. YES

[fret_gurglo]

SP updated with new SA

Calling for a vote for Initial testing

[MrNobody]

Yea