The Book of Mok

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by superfrog

They have not been destroyed. Like clinging gnids, they just have left the battlefield, and are no longer in play.

That's what I thought. So it would be possible to create a figure with an ability "Teleport Far, Far Away" that does not destroy a figure but removes it from the board, preventing things such as Finn's Warrior Spirit and Thanos's Rejected by Death.

Hmmmm....

(And, I suppose, then that its possible to create another ability "Recall from Far, Far Away" that can place any figure not destroyed but not in play onto the battlefield. So many new possibilities--and chances for new, deep rules discussions!)

[Serenity]

I've had difficulty getting my point's worth out of Mok (Particularly when you add in the cost of the dwarves too), but that said I still think he's a very cool unit and like him a lot.

[Johnnylama]

I don't think this has been discussed yet. Here's a tournament scoring issue that came up the other day:

At the end of the game, Mok is alive with one or both dwarf gunners intact. For scoring purposes, are the dwarves considered:
a) Alive-- count the points to Mok's army's total
b) Out of play-- ignore the points and subtract their points from the army's total.
c) Dead-- count the points to the opponent's "points destroyed" total.

Likewise, if a gunner dwarf is killed, are the points awarded as "points destroyed" to the opponent or are they considered out of play?

[awesomeunleashed]

Originally Posted by Johnnylama

I don't think this has been discussed yet. Here's a tournament scoring issue that came up the other day:

At the end of the game, Mok is alive with one or both dwarf gunners intact. For scoring purposes, are the dwarves considered:
a) Alive-- count the points to Mok's army's total
b) Out of play-- ignore the points and subtract their points from the army's total.
c) Dead-- count the points to the opponent's "points destroyed" total.

Likewise, if a gunner dwarf is killed, are the points awarded as "points destroyed" to the opponent or are they considered out of play?

That would be up to the TD; they're considered exactly like undropped Airborne, if that helps.

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

That would be up to the TD; they're considered exactly like undropped Airborne, if that helps.

Huh?

I thought they were considered like Gnids...

[awesomeunleashed]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

Huh?

I thought they were considered like Gnids...

[MegaSilver]

You know, they are "out of play" on Mok's card, but if they are destroyed via Gunner Causalities then they count as a destroyed figure.

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

Huh?

I thought they were considered like Gnids...

All 3 should be considered the same. They are out of play, but have not been destroyed.

[dalu]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

That would be up to the TD; they're considered exactly like undropped Airborne, if that helps.

It depends on how you score, and you must decide before the game starts, or even before the armies are chosen.

Basically, I would consider that:

While Mok is alive:

(Mok with Gunners value) = (Mok value) + (Gunners value)

That's thematic, logical and fair.
Everyone does not have to agree, but it's important to know before playing.

More details.

If you score how many points are "destroyed" in the opponent army (in a 1vs1 game), I suggest:

• Undropped Airborne Elite: score as if they were destroyed.
• Marro Gnids who have Clung: score as if they were destroyed.
• Skeletons of Annellintia on a Unique Hero card: score, they are destroyed.
• Dwarves on Mok still alive: don't score, the gunners have not been destroyed, they increase Mok's value.
• Dwarves on Mok destroyed: score, consider they were destroyed at the same time as Mok.

If you score how many points are left in your army, I suggest:

• Undropped Airborne Elite: don't score.
• Marro Gnids who have Clung: don't score, they are on an opponent Hero card.
• Skeletons of Annellintia on a Unique Hero card: don't score, they are destroyed.
• Dwarves on Mok still alive: score, they have not been destroyed, are on one Hero you control and increase it's value.
• Dwarves on Mok destroyed: don't score, consider they were destroyed at the same time as Mok.

Once again, everyone does not have to agree.

[Zealot]

Just got to playtest him for the first time last night in a match against my wife.

We were playing 690pt armies against each other on a map with swamp and road/trees.

I played Dwarf themed (obviously)
220 - Mok
110 - Migol
060 - Darrak
210 - Axegrinders x3
090 - Heirloom

My wife was using an elf army...
150 - Ulginesh
100 - Jordawn
050 - Arkmer
100 - Haduc
080 - Emiroon
210 - Aubrien Archers x3

Unfortunately for my wife, it was a massacre. Her archers were only rarely able to gain height and two of her biggest attacks against Mok were nullified by one of my gunners taking the hit for him.

Once Mok is loaded with Dwarves, I found order markers to be very efficient with 1 on Mok, 2 on Dwarves (to reload any lost gunners and activate a Dwarf hero), 3 on Mok again.

Battle ended with me only having lost 2 dwarves (gunner deaths), 7 wounds on Mok, and 2 wounds on Migol. Mok was rolling defence like a champ, and the couple times he wiffed against 4 skull attacks, the gunner roll saved him from taking the wounds.

Very fun and thematic but due to the nature of that match, my wife now thinks he is overpowered. lol

Can't wait to test run him against a few other opponent compositions.

~Zealot

[Porkins]

I wish that C3V/SoV/VC (not sure what to call you guys these days) put the full text of the card in the OP or SP for pasteability. I wanted to play a game with Mok tonight, but didn't want to use up a bunch of ink printing a card on my home printer; I'd rather go spend a few cents at a print shop.

So here is the text for Mok:

Mok
Aquila
Giant
Unique Hero
Warhulk
Fearsome
Huge 11

Life 8
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 7
Defense 4
Points 220


DWARVEN GUNNERS
Instead of attacking with a Dwarf Squad figure you control that is unengaged and adjacent to Mok, you may remove that figure from the battlefield and place it on this card. There can be a maximum of two Dwarf figures on this card.

GUNNER CASUALTIES
If there is at least one Dwarf figure on Mok's card when Mok receives one or more wounds from an attack by a non-adjacent figure, you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 15 or higher, remove on Dwarf figure from Mok's card and ignore any wounds.

GUNNER SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
After attacking normally, Mok may attack with Gunner Special attack once for each Dwarf figure on this card. While engaged, Mok may target and attack non-adjacent figures with Gunner Special Attack. Mok cannot attack the same figure twice with Gunner Special Attack.

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by Porkins

I wish that C3V/SoV/VC (not sure what to call you guys these days) put the full text of the card in the OP or SP for pasteability. ...

Remember that the "Book of" threads are made by the fans. Personally, I agree with you that it would be good to have the OPs contain the text. But that's up to each individual Bo thread owner.