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Old July 18th, 2018, 08:47 AM
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I would say it's doing what you want it to, yeah.
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I believe you'd need verbiage stating Combat Teleport can only be used once per turn.
That's not what I want - the 'attack one additional time' part makes it clear he can only attack one more time, but I'd like him to be able to teleport after either or both attacks.
I do want the extra attack to be able to be made even if you don't actually teleport, though.


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I believe you'd need verbiage stating Combat Teleport can only be used once per turn.
That's not what I want - the 'attack one additional time' part makes it clear he can only attack one more time, but I'd like him to be able to teleport after either or both attacks.
In that case, looks good!

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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

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Just clarifying something:

COMBAT TELEPORT 3
After attacking an adjacent figure with Scorpion, if you rolled at least one blank you may place him on any empty space within 3 spaces of his original placement and attack one additional time. When Scorpion starts to Teleport, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks

I'd just like to clarify, I'm intending for him to be able to teleport after his second blow, but not attack - is that what it says right now?
I'm not sure about that. It reads more like you can just keep teleporting and attacking as long as you keep rolling a blank. It also seems like you can attack again when rolling a blank, whether or not you teleport.

COMBAT TELEPORT 3
After attacking an adjacent figure with Scorpion, if you rolled at least one blank you may place him on any empty space within 3 spaces of his original placement. If you do, you may then attack one additional time, up to a maximum of two attacks per round. When Scorpion starts to Teleport, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

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'One additional time' has always meant you just get to do it one additional time, not repeatedly.
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'One additional time' has always meant you just get to do it one additional time, not repeatedly.
Ronin's right... that precedent has literally been around since Rise of the Valkyrie. It's as old as Heroscape itself.


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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

Then you can drop the second red part, but the first red update should be included or you could just stay put and attack again without teleporting. For the most part it won't make a difference but every once in a while you won't be able to teleport to a new location and attack a figure, or you will have to move off high ground if you want that 2nd attack.

COMBAT TELEPORT 3
After attacking an adjacent figure with Scorpion, if you rolled at least one blank you may place him on any empty space within 3 spaces of his original placement. If you do, you may then attack one additional time. When Scorpion starts to Teleport, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

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Then you can drop the second red part, but the first red update should be included or you could just stay put and attack again without teleporting. For the most part it won't make a difference but every once in a while you won't be able to teleport to a new location and attack a figure, or you will have to move off high ground if you want that 2nd attack.

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After attacking an adjacent figure with Scorpion, if you rolled at least one blank you may place him on any empty space within 3 spaces of his original placement. If you do, you may then attack one additional time. When Scorpion starts to Teleport, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
Honestly, I wouldn't object to you being able to do that? It's how I've been testing him so far in the Heavy Hitters, and he seems to be coming in at a solid level right now - changing that, based on my findings, would actually be a significant drop in power.


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'One additional time' has always meant you just get to do it one additional time, not repeatedly.
Ronin's right... that precedent has literally been around since Rise of the Valkyrie. It's as old as Heroscape itself.
Good to know. I thought as such but as somebody who plays a lot of board and card games, it's easy to get exact wording mixed up.

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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

Name Of The Playtest Unit: Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi)

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- What should be the unit's point value? 205?
- Give a brief overview. I really like this guy - from what I know, he feels just like Scorpion. He feels just a little under the 200 pointers at present, but in Army Tests he’ll be better because Hellfire Vengeance will allow Get Over Here! to be more reliable. I like the idea of his cost ending with 5 - fits in nicely with the other ninjas and underlines his status as a bit of a loner. I also really like the idea of him ending up at 205 - we only have two figures there at present, Meggan who’s main thing is being willing to work with literally anyone and Torquemada who’s main thing is hating anyone who isn’t like him (odd bit of symmetry...) and basically acting as a leader figure you build armies around. It’d be nice to have a nice, solid, generally good fighter coming in at that cost.
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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

Before starting Army Tests, I'd bump the roll for GOH to 13 to at least help a little on possibly coming in at 205.

Not sure how you're getting the feeling he's coming in under the 200 pointers at present. He went:

1-0 @170
4-0 @185
2-4 @200
1-1 @210
4-3 @230

This is before GOH becomes really good, and he gets any Ninja synergy.

You're looking at 225-245 right now in Army Tests if these tests tell us anything at all(probably don't, but hey, here we are).
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Re: The Book of Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi) - Initial Playtesti

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Before starting Army Tests, I'd bump the roll for GOH to 13 to at least help a little on possibly coming in at 205.

Not sure how you're getting the feeling he's coming in under the 200 pointers at present. He went:

1-0 @170
4-0 @185
2-4 @200
1-1 @210
4-3 @230

This is before GOH becomes really good, and he gets any Ninja synergy.

You're looking at 225-245 right now in Army Tests if these tests tell us anything at all(probably don't, but hey, here we are).
Five of those were against figures below his weight class (Mikey, Karai and Kitana), Leo and Splinter have points coming from synergies on their card rather than their combat power, Splinter found Scorpion to be a bad matchup due to his high life, Batman and Black Bat have Vigilante synergies that are at least as significant as Ninja synergies, and the only figure he faced without any significant synergies won twice. Sorry - not agreeing with you here.


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